Wednesday, July 06, 2005

European Competition for Influence in Syria

My last post elicited several good criticisms and clarifications.

Nur-al-Cubicle wrote:

From what I understand, again, Chirac holds many of the cards concerning Lebanon and Syria.

I read three items of interest:

1) France is providing financing to Syria for the purchase of 6 to 8 Airbus passenger planes.

2) France and the EU did not follow Washington's lead in freezing Syrian bank accounts.

3) France and the EU do not observe Washington's boycott imposed through the Syria Accountability Act.

I appreciate that Josh has spoken with British experts, but it would be good to know what is happening in Paris. I cannot foresee a scenario in which France would give up on Syria.
I agree with you that France won't give up on Syria. The competition for influence in Syria between the European states is heating up and will undermine US efforts to isolate Damascus. Although the French were cut out of their oil deal months before the Lahoud affaire, which contributed to Chirac's decision to "punish" Syria and stand with Bush, Syria seems to be trying to repair the damage with the Airbus deal.

The differences between France and the US on Syria and Middle East policy were no where to be seen in Sec. of State Rice's most recent news conference about Foreign Minister Douste-Blazy's visit to the United States and State Dept. Notice that Iraq was not mentioned. Here is the quote:
Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Benjamin Franklin Room
Washington, DC
July 5, 2005

SECRETARY RICE: Good afternoon. I'm very pleased to welcome Foreign Minister
Douste-Blazy to the United States and to the State Department... We had an opportunity today to review a number of the issues on that agenda. Of course, we talked about Lebanon and the need for there to be continued progress toward the complete fulfillment of Resolution 1559.

FOREIGN MINISTER DOUSTE-BLAZY: (Via interpreter) Thank you very much, Condi, for your words of welcome. I must say that I'm very pleased to have come to the United States. I have the impression that I now know you very well because, indeed, we have worked together in London, Brussels, and now here. And I have come to the United States to tell you that with the United States we are not dealing with just any other counterpart; we are dealing with friends, allies and partners. And we cannot see the United States as anything else, anything other than being friends. And to friends you speak frankly and you don't necessarily always agree, but you always speak as friends.

And we have worked a great deal. We have shown that the United States and France can work together on very concrete subjects, as you said: Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Palestine, as well as questions of nonproliferation; Iran, of course; and other major subjects such as Kosovo and the Balkans.
A British firm has also signed a 7 million pound contract, which has the promise of becoming much larger, to sort out Syria's municipal organization in anticipation of the 2007 municipal elections which Bashar is promising will be free. Such deals will help draw Britain into the reform process.

Also witness the Anglo-French competition over a large defense contract in Saudi Arabia, given as a reason for Blair's recent pop-in visit to Saudi.

Syria has become a strategic prize now that Iraq is a black hole. It's location at the center of the Middle East, making it a hub of communications and transport between the Gulf, Turkey and Europe, adds to its importance. Clearly, the Europeans are counting on Bashar's reform program to open the economy and bring in foreign investment. They all want to be there at the creation, even if it is a rocky start.

That also goes for the Gulf countries. So far Saudi Arabia has very few big investments in Syria, and the Hariri affaire damaged relations between the two countries badly. But one can only presume that the Saudi Royals will have to forgive Syria its trespasses and get on with business, before the UAE scoops up the prizes.

Hassan Fattah of the NY Times sent me this notice:
Damascus, July 4 (SANA)- President Bashar al-Assad received at al-Rawda Palace on Monday a delegation of Emmar Real Estate Company headed by Chairman of the company board of directors, Mohamed Ali Alabbar. Talks during the meeting dealt with the available investment projects in Syria.
Emaar will become the No1 real estate company in the world in terms of market capitalization when its present re-capitalization campaign is completed. Syria has passed a new law that guarantees the supply of new land for housing construction and is seeking $2 billion in foreign investments.

About Rami Makhlouf's move to the Emirates, an anonymous commentator writes:
I think you are reading too much into the Al Hayat piece on Rami Makhlouf. It wasn't an interview, and it basically boiled down to speculation about why RM was holidaying in Dubai -- subsequent reports indicate that he is thinking of listing Syriatel on the Dubai stock market after last year's IPO in Syria; Dubai's Majed AL Futtaim group is also looking at a big mall project that is sure to interest RM. Another clue about RM's intentions is provided in the shareholder list of Bank Byblos Syria ahead of its IPO: RM and brother Ehab each have 5% founding stakes. On the Majed al-Futtaim group, it has already purchased a square kilometer of land along the road to Beirut and has committed 300 million dollars to a multi-hotel-mall project that may expand to 1 billion dollars, if it succeeds in attracting Saudi and Lebanese tourists.
One cannot forget the plans to set up a Syrian stock exchange.

On the recent clashes with Iraqi Baathists and mujahidun, Al-Seyassah suggests they may have been smugglers bringing weapons into Syria. Tony Badran writes that:
In terms of details, no one can tell for sure what is happening in the country at this stage. The regime continues to arrest and clash with militants. Or, are they just glorified smugglers? Or is the regime turning against its erstwhile protégés because they outlived their usefulness? Or is there an internal clash and settling of old and new scores within the ranks of the regime? Or are all these things happening together and at the same time? No one really knows.
Also see Ammar Abdulhamid's comments on this here.

Abdul Rahman al-Rashed writing in as-Sarq al-Awsat believes that these events signal the "Arrival of "Al Qaeda" in Syria." He concludes, "The latest clashes with these terrorists means that Al Qaeda has officially begun its war against Syria after previously paying Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Morocco a visit."

I will add the interesting article by David Hirst.

America knocks at Syria's nervous door
Wednesday, July 06, 2005

"The Americans won't control their side of the border, accept our offers of collaboration, or allow us the surveillance equipment we need. Then they accuse us of aiding a resistance which, they know, is basically Iraqi, even if some foreign fighters do get across our frontiers, which - they also know - are impossible to seal without an investment of resources way beyond our means."

The hilltop outpost at which an anonymous Syrian commander made this lament was only a few meters high, but it was located in a desert landscape so flat and featureless that, from it, you could look deep into Iraq, across some of the obstacles - berms, barbed wire, concrete blocks in vehicle-friendly wadis, hundreds of observation posts manned by 7,000 soldiers - which Syria has put up along the most desolate, uninhabited, central stretch of its 600-kilometer eastern border.

This wasn't proof that Syria is doing its utmost to stop the passage of foreign jihadists into Iraq; the best places for infiltration are the inhabited regions to the north; but it surely meant it was doing something. However, among the diplomats agreeing to go on an unprecedented public relations tour of the border area, the Americans were conspicuously absent. And that, for Syria's Baathist regime, was yet another instance of Washington's "not wanting to know."

The United States may say, as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice did recently, that all it wants is a change in Syrian behavior. A senior Syrian official responds to this: "We have concluded in recent months that they really want to bring us down." European diplomats tend to agree that the apparently systematic refusal to engage the Syrian regime at any level reflects the influence of the Bush administration's neoconservative hawks, for whom the regime of President Bashar Assad is a prime candidate in a grand design for regime change throughout the Middle East.

Even if President George W. Bush himself isn't ready to openly embark on such a policy, the neocons are strong enough to block any inclination in the opposite direction. Very few people expect that Syria will be a new Iraq. Rather, it is, to use a Washington adage, "low-hanging fruit" harvestable by political means. For the Syrian leadership, the U.S., already in a mess in Iraq, wouldn't be mad enough to engage in an adventure against them. But American pressure can take many forms, Syrians believe, sufficient to put an already decrepit and discredited regime's survival at stake.

Until recently, the U.S. treated Syria as a strategic adversary, but one, nonetheless with which it could still do business in a give-and-take process whose end, if successful, would have presumably restored the Baathists' "right to exist" - a la Libya - in any new American-sponsored Middle East order. But now Washington spurns the strategic dialogue Assad proffers, and is bent, it would appear, on stripping the Syrian president of all his regional cards. When he concedes (thereby proving, as American commentators put it, that "pressure works"), it leads to yet more demands, with nothing offered in return.

When, Syria's armed forces withdrew from Lebanon in April, the U.S. remained insistent that Assad continued to play a disruptive role there, while doing little or nothing to seal the jihadist trail into Iraq. Whatever the truth, the U.S. is clearly accumulating ammunition for new assaults in a diplomatic war of attrition against Syria whose end, says a European diplomat, is to "bring Bashar naked to the negotiating table."

Weakening Syria externally weakens it at home. For a despotic regime, regional influence was always a vital adjunct of internal repression. "And now," says a Syrian dissident, "the U.S. is becoming the internal as well as the external player in our affairs which, before the debacle in Lebanon, it couldn't be."

Faced with this double assault, what does Assad do? Does he cede ground internally, as he already has externally, in the hope (one that has proven unsuccessful so far) of appeasing both the U.S. and a still-weak, but steadily growing domestic opposition? Whatever choice he does make will, for the first time, be very much his own, for he has just wrought greater changes inside his ruling apparatus than any since his father, Hafiz Assad, consolidated his personal power in the 1970s.

Reform, cries Syria's opposition, and we shall rally to you against the U.S. The opposition mistrusts Washington perhaps more than the Syrian regime itself does. Not that it belittles the impetus which American actions, even the otherwise abhorrent invasion of Iraq, has given to their cause.

But the Syrians' yearning for change is deeply tempered by fear of the way it might come about. That is why the opposition's dominant orthodoxy is gradualism. As opposition figures see it, they must reach out to reformists within the system and, as both gain depth and cohesion, reassure the ultimate, maleficent power-holders and their increasingly frightened entourage that their eventual departure will not be the terrible reckoning, for years of misrule, that it would otherwise have been.

"If the Americans muscle in," says a Syrian human rights activist, "the shock will disrupt this process, delicate enough as it is, unleash the latent forces of chaos, of sectarian, ethnic and class conflict in our society, even create another Iraq without invading it. We must handle this on our own."

Set against the initial high expectations, the results of the recent, supposedly make-or-break Baathist congress were puny. Still, a sort of Syrian glasnost is underway. There is little doubt that Assad encourages it. Little doubt, too, that, fearing loss of control, he is simultaneously being pulled in the opposition direction. The congress that promised change was also a classical show of strength and solidarity, Soviet-style, of the single-party state. Directed at the U.S. and the opposition, it said: "The Baath is here to stay." As a Baath reformist put it: "Bashar's new new guard might actually have to be tougher than the old."

If rigidity and repression do win the day, some in the opposition will be inclined to forsake the gradualist, Syrian-only orthodoxy. Of the opposition's three still very separate components - the secular intelligentsia, the Islamists and the Kurdish minority of the northeast - only the Kurds have emerged, after decades of obscure, unequal struggle against Arabization and ethnic discrimination, as a key internal player, due to their own suddenly revealed intrinsic strength and the example of their brethren's achievements in northern Iraq.

"So long as the regime gives nothing," says a Kurdish politician, "it's our right to profit from international conditions. If America knocks on our door, we'll open it."

The fear in Damascus is that the U.S., in desperation, might do something military across the Syrian border, such as creating a "security zone,"as Israel did in the South Lebanon border area during the 1980s and 1990s. It wouldn't work, experts insist, and would merely add local, tribally-linked Syrian resistance to the Iraqi one. On the other hand, it could have a profoundly destabilizing impact on Syria as a whole, exacerbating those Kurdish-led centrifugal forces whose original impetus, and disastrous potentialities, stem, as in Iraq, from decades of Baathist despotism.

David Hirst was for a long time Middle East correspondent for London's The Guardian. He wrote this commentary for THE DAILY STAR.


At 7/06/2005 06:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is nothing new about Syria's business, investment and trade potential. The situation in Iraq does not make any such projects more feasible. As for Syria being a hub of transport and communications between Europe,Turkey and the Gulf, I wonder whether "hub" is not a bit sophiscated a term

At 7/06/2005 06:54:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can the europeans and gulf states reward syria and the baath regime of king assad? As a Syrian I am appalled at the fact that there are countries who will turn a blind eye to the blatant crimes against humanity that the syrian regime committs on a daily basis whether it being in syria, iraq or lebanon. I say that the europeans and gulf states hold back on their investements and deals until king bashar proves that he truly wants reform. The first step he needs to take to gain the confidence of the people is to remove the ridculous emergency law which serves absolutley no purpose. I can go on for another hour about the things that need to take place in syria but i'm sure that all the readers of this blogg already have a pretty good idea about what those changes entail.

Shami In Dubai

At 7/06/2005 07:15:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

I also feel Rami Maklouf's move to Dubai is an unfounded rumor. Here is a news article I read a few days ago quoting Syriatel's CCO on the intent to float on the Dubai stock exchange while the Syrian one is being built.§ion=business&xfile=data/business/2005/July/business_July27.xml

As for Shami in Dubai's comment i will yet again have to criticize your shortsightedness on the Human Rights matter. This blind hate for the regime will never change in some people but to actually suggest that the abuse in Syria is the worst in the region is just too much for me to bare.

You are suggesting for the GULF COUNTRIES to freeze investment in Syria??????? The same countries that lack basic rights such as voting? or in Saudi Arabia’s case barring women from Driving? I am not trying to clear our government from any wrong doing. But we are blessed compare to what some of our neighbor’s suffer under their governments. You think torture is not condoned in Egypt, Turkey, Jordan or your beloved GCC? Turkey which is serious candidate for EU membership has THE WORST case of reporter oppression and arrests in the WORLD. Not to mention what the Shia'a suffer in Saudi, or other minorities in most of the GCC. STOP blind hate and start constructive criticism.

At 7/06/2005 08:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to be kidding me? The GCC countries are more corrupt than syriaaaa???? that has to be the biggest load of crap i have ever heard in my life.

I suggest you look up the 100 most corrupt countries in the world and while you're at it check amnesty international's 100 list of countries who abuse human rights then we can talk.

My blind hatred for the baathist terrorist regime in syria will never end until our capital is freed from the minority govt which represents animals from villages whose names i can't even pronounce. Trust me my friend, the days of torture, false improsionment, mokhabarat and abuse are almost over in syria....time will tell.

Shami in Dubai

At 7/06/2005 08:29:00 AM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

To Human Scum Tarek.
Hey coward Tarek, Why don't you
give your full name, Nationality
(Ape specie) and whereabouts the
Baathist zoo you live in.

At 7/06/2005 08:52:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


They may not be the worst offenders of Human rights but they rank way up there. For you to defend a regime that arrests and convicts a teenager and sentences him to 8 years in prison because his father's political association is truly absurd. What about the numerous people that were arrested, tortured and held without a trial since 1980?

At 7/06/2005 08:57:00 AM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

There is nothing more we like than Arabs and the whole world invest and develop Syria. Not only the Syrian will inherit a well developed country, but the liberated Syrians will cease all those assets and investments, nationalize it, consider it part of a criminal and money laundering activities. The Syrian National Courts will then charge the investors and head of investment firms with aiding and abetting of Criminal Organization, hold them liable for the human right violations and other rights deprivation. The investments made in Syria, any earning taken out ( all most likely are counted by someone out there ) will be used to satisfy judgments issued to Plaintiffs by the Liberated Syrian National Courts System. The criminals will then be sought and apprehended by the Syrian Secret Service (SSS), brought to trial and most of these thugs will face the death penalties.

International Law, U.N. Charters, other crap did not protect Syrians, so foreigners who are wanted criminals should not expect any protection under these either.


At 7/06/2005 10:22:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

I am not trying to protect the Syrian government, you have to have serious mental problems to say that its not EXTREMELY corrupt and infested with several human rights problems, you guys named a few and to me a major one is lack of free press.

But what i despise is this blind hate and criticism that will bring jack shit to your fellow countrymen. Our culture has always been secular and you have to credit this regime (good or bad) for trying to keep it so.

I did not say all the GCC countries are more corrupt. The UAE government is one of the least corrupt countries in the world but i would say that’s the exceptions. The gulf’s enormous cash reserve has played a great role taming any rebellious/democratic voices. I cannot see any of these royal families lasting 3 hours if there was no oil in the region and tacit American support. All I am saying is that the social structure there is more oppressive and nobody can deny that.

And when Zine El Abidine Ben Ali wins the Tunisian presidency with 99% of the votes (That’s higher than Syria’s) why don’t we hear anyone cry foul??? What about the numerous abuses in Algeria? I know the discussion here about Syria and should stay that way but please name me one democratic Arabic country?

As for Syrian Republican Party; man please spare me your prejudice crap. My location is Holland, and if you’re implying I’m 3alawi then your wrong. I am an Atheist (Sunni background) and not part of any political party. And what about your name and location???? Yeah I didn’t think so.

I am sure you consider yourself an educated person, but I would ask for my money back if I were your father. Try to Keep an open mind, accept the fact that others might see things differently than you, and chances are we are both wrong.

At 7/06/2005 11:32:00 AM, Anonymous Un ami said...

You see, M'sieu Bashar, it is not so difficult to make reforms to satify the yankee but which allow you much room for maneouvre. You have only to look at Algeria and Tunisia, non? And I ask you, is it so hard? It eez so simple. You allow groups their liberté to meet and even conspire against you. But you control the core of authority and the media. And voilà, they may be dismissed as mere groupes de focus!

By zee way, some evening you might watch the Italien film entitled, Il Gattopardo. Zee spot-changing, it is not so nécessaire, you know.

At 7/06/2005 01:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>The United States may say, as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice did recently, that all it wants is a change in Syrian behavior. A senior Syrian official responds to this: "We have concluded in recent months that they really want to bring us down." European diplomats tend to agree that the apparently systematic refusal to engage the Syrian regime at any level reflects the influence of the Bush administration's neoconservative hawks, for whom the regime of President Bashar Assad is a prime candidate in a grand design for regime change throughout the Middle East.<<

I think the above is the key paragraph in Dr. Landis's entire presentation.

The neocons are undeterred by what happened in Iraq. They do not care about the current mess. To them that is "creative destruction," to use the words of Michael Ledeen one of the leading theocrats of neoconism.

The consequences of regime change is NOT relevant to the neocons. Regime change is the end and not the aftermath. Condi Rice said as much is her many interviews. The aftermath maybe chaos, lawlessness, ethnic strife and even civil war, but to the neocons that is far better than the status quo in the ME.

No matter what Syria does to accomodate the US, the US will ask for more and that "more" is nothing less than regime change in Syria consequences be damned.

Why are the neocons so intent on regime change regardless of consequences? It is very simple: ISRAEL. Neocons tend, for the most part, to be Zionists (which is distinct from being Jewish) and strong defenders of Israel. Israel has long wanted a fractured and weakned state system in the ME. Just read the biographies of Moshe Sharret and David Bengurion for evidence.

Neocons believe that it is in Israel's strategic interest to fragment the ME along ethno-religious lines. That is why Israeli commandos are currently operating in the Kurdish north of Iraq.

Aside from Israel the second interest of the US in the ME is OIL. That is it folks. The US does not give a damn about democracy in the ME. It does not give a damn about human rights in the ME. These are simply tin foils to use for domestic propaganda purposes and to attract the naive Syrian opposition to do the US's bidding in the ME.

At 7/06/2005 02:32:00 PM, Anonymous Ausama said...

to Anonymous at 1:40, and Tariq

Nice to hear your educated, balanced, and hatered-free voices. But you know what? Are those responding to your postings with such vhenom and such newly-discovered sense of search for freedom and democracy for the "Syrian People and "Syria", merely truth seekers or are they merely venting personal anger against Syria, its regime and its people (which to me are one and the same at this point in time)?
Each time I read a posting or an article on this site I feel a compelling urge to respond and clarify. But then I sit and wonder whether I should or would it be only a waste of time. You can argue with truth-seekers, but you can never win an argument with an idiot or with some who has has a ax to sharpen. Like that smart fellow in Shami in Dubai who urges Gulf States to cut thier investment in Syria... Imagine.. Sound like he would love to see a repeat of the "Iraqi Sanctions" and what they did to the Iraqi people. Some "Shami" indeed. Or the postings by that god-knows what party who we never heard of before but which sounds a lot like the Chalabi or Jalabi thief in Baghdad. Again, with full respect to all of them I see thier "fears", "well-wishes", and "cheers" for the US (i.e. Israel nowadays) designs for Syria and the region, I see it in the light of Arafats response to a journalists question who asked him about the "fear and worry" of "some people" that the Palestinians would go through a civil war and internal blood bath once Israel leaves the West Bank towns then. Arafat response came in a question form; he said: Are you refereing to the "fears and worries" of those OR to their "wishes". So, I wounder; are those people who are attacking Syria so vehemently at this time when Syria is facing those unprecedented (but- to somes dissappointed- managebale) pressures mere idiots or are they really truth seekers? We all know that Syria is not Utopia, but at the same time it is far away from the picture they try to paint it -and us- in. Moreover, this is not the time to side with the ENEMY. Because it is the ENEMY who is knocking at the door, not Lady Liberty indeed.
P.S. I sicerly hope that the idiot who angrilly and threatiningly asked some one to post his full name and
address to identify him would not direct the same at me. (Rings a bell for those wishing a regime change in Syria???????) If he does I will have to ask Joush to provide me protection from anti-Baathists (i.e. anti-Syrians)despite my being merely a Syrian with no political affiliations.

At 7/06/2005 02:53:00 PM, Anonymous Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe said...

Yes of course, we all know that when Bush talks about Liberating Iraqis he actually means liberating Iraqis oil fields. Missconception Grande, there are no distinction between Zionist and Jews, they are one and the same. Middle Easterners try to be politically correct and prove that they are not religious bigots by making this separation. CRAP, Zionism is for Jews only not for Christian or Moslems.

Yes of course, we all know that when Bush talks about Liberating Iraqis he actually means liberating Iraqis oil fields. Misconception Grande, there are no distinction between Zionist and Jews, they are one and the same. Middle Easterners try to be politically correct and prove that they are not religious bigots by making this separation. CRAP, Zionism is for Jews only not for Christian or Moslems.

Israeli have an antiquated doctrine that they really needs to trash. Living in a region that is stable, economically viable and militarily strong is in Israel best interest now. The 50’s and 60’s doctrines are obsolete for this age and out right dangerous for the future, especially for Israel. A decade from now, the Demographic data alone is scary. Egypt over a 120 millions, Arabian Bedouin Kingdoms Group over 70 Millions, Iraq 60 Millions, Syria 27 Millions on the inside, Iran over 100 Millions, Palestinians over 12 Millions and Israel is in fact regressing in its population and stand to loose a Million head who will immigrate back to Russia and USA . How on earth with dwindling oil resources, domestic energy, water resources and food consumption and keeping with current regimes abhorring economic, employment and social records Israel is going to survive? It is mind boggling why no one at least in Israel is paying attention to the near future and realizing that something need to be done now.

The neocon maybe Zionist but they are the intellegencia of America and with the Rand and other think tanks supplying them with steady stream of studies, no wonder why they are hell bent on changing the Middle East. It is too bad that the U.S. and Israeli Governments are not listening.

At 7/06/2005 03:20:00 PM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

To Baathist Ausama,
No I will not ask for ID. You are a Moran and belong in Damascus Zoo if they had a Zoo in Syria.

Glad you never heard of SRP, we have no need for worthless scum like you who suck the Syrian people blood. Why would SRP needs you if you aren’t worth a single vote in this dictatorship regime you are defending. Your opinion as important to SRP and to the regime as trash. You say you are Syrian and not politically active? Fu&^%$&%$of human scum, get out of this politically active forum that is debating a better future for Syria and go back into your non political Baathist Zoo peddling dope, human trafficking, torturing, imprisoning, racketeering, and stealing Syrian people assets. What a human scum.

At 7/06/2005 05:26:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>Missconception Grande, there are no distinction between Zionist and Jews, they are one and the same. Middle Easterners try to be politically correct and prove that they are not religious bigots by making this separation. CRAP, Zionism is for Jews only not for Christian or Moslems.<<

I beg to respectfully differ with you. While the overwhelming majority of Jews tend to be Zionists, there are non-Zionists Jews and there are Zionist Christians. In the former you will find people like Naom Chomsky, Edward Herman and other intellectuals on the left. In the latter you will find people like Reverand Jerry Falwell, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld. As a matter of fact, there is a whole movement of Zionist Christians. They are dedicated to a very strong and dominant Israel in the ME since this is a sin-qua-non for the second coming of Jesus.

>>The 50’s and 60’s doctrines are obsolete for this age and out right dangerous for the future, especially for Israel. A decade from now, the Demographic data alone is scary. Egypt over a 120 millions, Arabian Bedouin Kingdoms Group over 70 Millions, Iraq 60 Millions, Syria 27 Millions on the inside, Iran over 100 Millions, Palestinians over 12 Millions and Israel is in fact regressing in its population and stand to loose a Million head who will immigrate back to Russia and USA.<<

I do not think it is totally obsolete although I do see your point on this issue. It is precisely that the Arab population keeps growing in numbers that Israel with US proxy seeks to keep them divided along ethno-religious lines.

Take for example Iraq. A unified Iraq has the potential to be a huge threat to Israel. Let us recall that one of the many reasons that the US waged war against Iraq in 1991 was the potential for Iraq to become a threat to Israeli strategic supremacy in the region. After the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq emerged with the 2nd strongest military in the region. The US had to end this imbalance of power and render Israel more secure.

An Iraq divided along ethno-religious lines will be a WEAK Iraq even though its population continues to grow. The Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis will waste their energies in internal squables and that will give Israel strategic supremacy in the region.

The same applies for Syria. If you recall that one of the "tricks" that the French used during their colonial control of Syria from 1920-1946 was to create statelets along regional/confessional lines within Syria to undermine the unity of the Syrians. Israel would love to see Syria disintegrate along confessional/regional and have the Syrians consume/waste their energies in ethno/religious struggle.

At 7/06/2005 09:15:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and what about the syrian jewish community which now lives in brooklyn and in israel? and what about the iraqi jewish community which now lives in israel? and the moroccan jewish community, major supporters of the likud, in israel. does anyone on this post accept the fact that a redistribution of populations has take place in palestine, and there are now 2 separate nations there competing for the same land?

At 7/06/2005 09:36:00 PM, Anonymous Agha said...

To Anon at 5.26 PM

You see SRP do not have a financial backer like US or Iran. It is a member supported NGO and we make living in daytrading stocks and futures. So most of the time the comments are published un-audited, un-edited, quick and between trades. You raised important comments that would like to address later on this week at length. For now I will say that what you described is exactly what I mean, will no longer works. Israel and the United States best interests are served in removing dictatorships, Modernizing the Middle East so it can become a viable economic region for all locals and U.S. to make it sustainable to accommodate the rising population.

Recognition of Israel right to exist is of course is a must by everybody as a first stand, SRP recognizes the right of the Jewish people to the Land and to restore the temple. SRP recognize Jews as Syrians, we do not recognize Jews as a separate national identity.

The end result that the as you called them Zionist trying to implement will be 200 million standing Islamic army that can care less about anything, because they got nothing to care about except marching overnight and killing all the Jews, Just like the book of revelation said it will happened. All those nukes that Israel is building, not one of them will be used on Israel adversaries soils. Rather, they will be taken intact by Moslem Hordes and dumped on the 2 third of the planet, just like the Book of Revelation said it will happen.

Now, quick about Zionism. It is basically like Baathism for the Jews. What I want to speak about is Christian Zionism: I thought Jesus is going to come in and unite the nations and force peace. So why Christian Zionist are dividing nations and tribes and making wars?

Jesus, Messiah, Mehdi, Vishnu, Krishna will return to bring peace and justice ( that is if any of these persons ever existed before or will ever return on a flying saucer or three legged golden donkey). The Antichrist, the Dajjal (deceiver in Arabic), the one eyed beast, the Eye of RA, the Eye of Horus will return and make war and divide the nations and cause all small or great to receive the mark of the beast.

Got to go, My beautiful Russian wife waiting for me. What the United States and Israel needs to do is to fund SRP and help bring PEACE, PROSPERITY and PROGRESS to the Middle East. But again destiny is written and the beast Amen has his evil plans, even he knows the destiny and the coming Jacob troubles, his demise on the hand of the Annunaki for his shenanigan that will cause the third and final desolation on this planet.

Knowledge is Power, Mystery no more, the fish god exposed. Amen/Marduk your time is coming to close, Walk on water for dumb Galellian will not work, Battery powered messiah for the Alawites what is the next Raising the dead miracle, hehehe. Heeeeel you Mother Fu^%$%$er slam on the head, hehehe. Ohh you still got Benny Swoooosh. You may get Popov on new scam again.

Hehehehe, clean up time coming soon

At 7/07/2005 03:21:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

Now back to the topic, Zionism and the Judaism are NOT the same. There are several anti Zionists Jews in the world but most tend to be sympathizers or supporters because it’s the largest and the most powerful political organization for them. I had the pleasure of having Jewish students in my middle school in Damascus and let me tell you if I or any of you were treated like the Jews in Syria we would also leave to the US or any other place for that matter. They Jewish community was highly protected but made felt to be second class citizens because of the Israeli/Jewish paranoia in the region.

You guys should check out the website of the so-called Syrian Republican Party. It’s hilarious and the flag is fu%#ing purple J it looks like the web designer is Barney the dinosaur.

To Agha and all other SRP party supporters, there are NO political parties who have no political, ideological and/or financial backers so please spare me the BS. I am not trying to shit on anyone’s religion but when you quote the book of revelation as proof and guide to the future of the Middle East’s political situation. Then it gives me same feeling as when I am watching one of those crazy infomercial salesmen we see on TV after midnight. Selling a damn blender that can also land helicopters both of you are full of shit and need to be beaten severely for lying and wasting our time.

So tell me, did you buy your hot Russian wife with the money you made from stock trading or is it part of the wider scam to ask for handouts from the US and Israel?

At 7/07/2005 07:36:00 AM, Anonymous Agha said...

Bark Tarek, Bark. Your days are numbered.


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