Monday, July 18, 2005

Lebanon

The European Union is scheduled to hold a working session on the growing crisis in Lebanon on Monday in Brussels. Washington is consulting with the international community for a solution to put an end to Syria's domination over Lebanon.

U.S. and European officials also charged that Syria continues to maintain presence in Lebanon through intelligence agents, who were supposed to be removed by the end of April, according to U.N Resolution 1559.

The White House blamed Damascus explicitly for blocking the three attempts by Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora to form a cabinet of Ministers. Lahoud vetoed all three, despite the support of the majority of Parliament for the last iteration.

The EU is joining the US in putting pressure on Syria. The Daily Star reports
EU foreign ministers called on Syria to improve relations with neighboring Lebanon and Iraq. It also warned Damascus to cut support to groups that oppose stability in the region in order to ensure future EU aid and trade.

The ministers said: "A positive Syrian contribution to regional stability would contribute to deepening the EU-Syria relationship."

The EU has stalled the full implementation of a billion dollar cooperation agreement that offers Syria aid and better trade access because of its refusal to live up to EU demands to fight terrorism and cooperate in fostering peace in the Middle East.

Commenting on the Lebanese-Syrian border crisis, EU ministers urged Syria to "support the legitimate and sovereign new government of Lebanon allowing for smooth circulation of goods between the two countries."
But it looks like the government crisis in Lebanon may be coming to an end. Siniora and President Lahoud promise an announcement this afternoon.

Sana news agency is now reporting that the border is open, but we will have to see what that means.
Al-Dabbusiyah, 17 July: Syrian and Lebanese ordinary people and drivers stressed that they crossed Al-Dabbusiyah border point with the sisterly Lebanon to and from Lebanon, adding that the Syrian authorities provide them with all possible facilities and deal in a flexible way with all arriving and departing passengers.

SANA staff reporters who visited the Al-Dabbusiyah area several times said there was an ordinary crossing traffic on both sides, and all the personnel there were working very hard to alleviate traffic jams on the borders with Lebanon, particularly the trucks coming from Lebanon.

Director of the Syrian Customs in the area Abd-al-Hadi Darwish said the main reason for the jam is the bridge used for the two-way border crossing is narrow and was originally built under the French mandate on Syrian and Lebanon.

He added that there are ongoing preparations on the Syrian side of Al-Dabbusiyah to expand and modernize this crossing point.
Economic stranglehold

Syria has prevented Lebanese goods from passing through the Lebanese-Syrian border, where Beirut averaged 300 export shipments per day prior to Syria's withdrawal, over the past two weeks the number has dropped to a staggering zero. Jones said Syria is now trying to "undermine the Lebanese economy by blocking Lebanese exports so that millions of dollars of produce rots" at the Lebanese-Syrian border.

Damascus blames the delays on increased checks to prevent weapons and explosives being smuggled into Syria. Many Lebanese however believe Syria is being revengeful, after enduring a humbling withdrawal as a result of the Valentines Day assassination, which targeted and killed Rafik Hariri.

The economic crisis is threatening 50,000 jobs in Lebanon, and is estimated to be costing $300,000 a day in lost business.

"This is an obvious attempt to create an economic stranglehold on the most vulnerable sector of Lebanon's economy -- farmers and small merchants," a State Department official said. "Syria has historically been the gate through which Lebanese produce and products go to the rest of the region. Syria is now pulling out every dirty trick from its importation guide to have maximum dilatory effect."
These an-Nahar headlines paint the grissly picture of Lebanese-Syrian relations over the last few weeks.

Syria Frees 9 Lebanese Fishermen Detained over the Past 3 Days

Syria Demands Compensation to Families of 35 Workers Killed in Lebanon

Egypt, Arab League Pressure Assad to Stop Trade War Against Lebanon

Shootout Flares on Syria's Border Between Lebanese Police, Smugglers

Lahoud, Seniora in 'Irremediable Discord' as Lebanon Teeters on Brink of Abyss.

184 Comments:

At 7/19/2005 10:34:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sooner or later Lebanese will realize that they have to go back to Syria and reconsider all the anti-Syrian electorial solgans. I doubt that EU pressure will do anything in this regards, at the end of the day its Syrian land and Syrian borders

 
At 7/19/2005 11:08:00 AM, Anonymous kingcrane said...

I am Lebanese and I am appaled at the utter BS coming from the Hariri-Joumblatt camp. First, they bought the elections in the North after getting lucky in Baabda-Aley (Hezbollah should have ditched them). Now, after accusing their adversaries of almost any crime on earth, they want people to come and serve their interests? This is a bluff. Let us have real national elections, and let us see if these thugs can keep claiming that they are the majority.

 
At 7/19/2005 11:11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

lebanon has 2 neighbors, not 1. if the terrorist state continues the blockade, it doesn't take a genius to figure out in what direction the internal political pressure in lebanon will soon be pushing.

 
At 7/19/2005 11:12:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go ya habibi to the other neighbor, wal alb da3eelak

 
At 7/19/2005 11:12:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go ya habibi to the other neighbor, wal alb da3eelak

 
At 7/19/2005 11:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Editorial by Abed AlRahman Alrashid, Middle East newapaper http://www.asharqalawsat.com/leader.asp?section=3&article=312860&issue=9730
I totally agree with him

 
At 7/19/2005 11:28:00 AM, Anonymous MAD said...

Kingcrane,

Your comments are irrelevant. Are there bilateral laws and agreements between Lebanon and Syria or not?

Do those mean anything? (I think they don't). Same thing with the "law" inside Syria. In totalitarian regimes the law is meaningless.

What do you mean "real" elections? I am not crazy about these guys, or about the lousy election law. However, elections were held, and until next electiosn they are the majority (and like you I may not like it).

 
At 7/19/2005 11:39:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Syria wants to blockade Lebanon?
Anyone remember when Farook Shara had a heart attack? They rushed him from Damascus to Beirut for treatment. So if the Lebanese retaliate by closing the borders, the Syrian leaders will start dying one by one.

 
At 7/19/2005 11:55:00 AM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

President Bashar Al Assad knows what he is doing. He is doing great, keeping the whole world incompetent leaders at sea and gasping for solutions. Keep'em drowned Bashar. All we care about, is Syrian people Human Rights and the economic / military developments of Syria. Something the Dollar /Pussy whipped drowning bastards of the world don't giva a damm about.

 
At 7/19/2005 12:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: anon @ 11.11

In your wildest Zionist dreams. From what we know in 2009. It looks like Israel will be the one looking for few yards wide to inland pass.

 
At 7/19/2005 12:02:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

The so called Lebanese "opposition", which is an oxymoron if you've ever heard one, are trying to play political hard ball. They have the upper hand for now since America and France are supporting them. And if the blockade by Syria is suppose to be a retaliatory action then it’s a childish and weak attempt, better luck next time guys.

But what’s more dangerous than childish acts is Harriri and Jumblat's idiotic power trip they are enjoying. Did they not learn anything from the civil war? America, France, Israel, Italy and the Palestinians tried to tame and control Lebanon but all failed while Syria succeeded. Why? Because America, France and others can talk all they want and as long as they want. But Syria will ALWAYS be Lebanon’s closest neighbor. So the current Lebanese officials better keep that in mind. History and time have a tendency to turn the tables.

Syria has been dealt a blow by the west and the lebanese added insult to injury. But they should prove to be the better "man" tend to their wounds and get ready to get back into this fight.

 
At 7/19/2005 12:50:00 PM, Anonymous Fadi said...

Josh,

What do you think the Syrian people think about these new Syrian measures against Lebanon?
Reading the posts online by Syrians (in this website and many others) it seems to me that FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER the Syrian people are with taking measures against Lebanon. The Syrian public as I understand were AGAINST their government's handling of Lebanon during the last 29 years, but surprisingly it seems now that they support even harsher measures against Lebanon by their government.
I think the Lebanese demonstrators, politicians and journalists went too far lashing out insulting Syria and the Syrian people (even murdering some and physically attacking them) for the last 5 months with no reaction at all from the Syrian government (or even the Syrian public). It seems that the Syrian people are deeply hurt by the continuous "racist" insults THEY received (not their government) in the last 5 months by the Lebanese that they are now seeking retaliation.
I read posts by angry Syrians requesting their government to not just close the borders with Lebanon but also to stop providing the smaller neighbour with cheap Syrian electricity, gas and oil (as per the 2 countries' "special economic cooperation agreements") and to treat Lebanon as any other country. Some also are requesting cancelling the almost 10-years-old Syrian water agreements with Lebanon signed by late Hafez Al-Assad in which he personally intervened in the long-lasting negotiations and gave Lebanon more than half in many occasions.

Correct me if I'm wrong Josh, but I think this time the Syrian government is not pulling "dirty tricks" because it wants to pressure Lebanon (it could have done this just after it pulled out in April!), but it is trying to let the steam out of the boiling Syrian street by enforcing these minor economic measures to release the public Syrian anger.
We should not forget that US economic sanctions against Syria were pushed by popular Lebanese figures (such as Aoun who lobbied in the US congress for it) and that many other popular politicians are pulling the same trick with Europe, requesting that it does not ratify the EU agreement with Syria until the latter delivers the rest of the 1559 requirement (whatever that is!). These politicians include the younger Hariri and Jounblat. These Lebanese figures have public support and the Lebanese people publicly supported these measures against Syria (this is what the Lebanese papers are saying anyhow).

SO.. for me it seems that it is "fair game" by Syria to use the same economic weapons used by the US, Europe and even the Lebanese against it to achieve its political interests. Just as these countries are using this weapon against Syria to achieve their political interests in the region. Am I right?

It would be very interesting to hear your view on this Josh! And even better.. if you could survey some public Syrian point of view on this.

 
At 7/19/2005 12:51:00 PM, Anonymous One Disobedient Motherfucker said...

THe border control is one childish move by Syrian authorities leaving more room for criticism. ENOUGH! Please don't try to use the Carrot and stic that Americans use on us.. because both the carrot and the stick will end up in our asses. I won't work this time since Syria is the ugly duckling..actually the ugly polar bear in this case..because our problems do not end with only one neighbour.

Syria is under full scale attack for:

1- Lebanese Assasinations, and still meddling in politics-even though I'm gladthe new gov't was just formed

2- Supporting Opposition and resistance in Iraq and Palestine

and then the usual pressure, human rights, political freedom and being evil.

Solution?

1- Open up borders, we need money flow as much as the lebanese, the carrot and stick is not gonna work, we need the cash, and lets show good faith so we can work with the winy ass Lebanese. Now we are out, they can't blame Syria for every Lebanese problem. Opening borders also means more tourism, if only 10% of Lebanese tourists come to Syria, that's about 250,000 Rich ass Saudis in our town, our prostitution industry will prosper, means the whole country will prosper. We need High quality Prostitues!

2- Let the those political prisoners out! The Ambassador promised in his speech in Georgetown Univ. that they will all be out in 4 months! that was 5 months ago. We all know by now that most Political dissidents don't want an overthrow-like Ghadry. We all want reform..It is a good national dialogue, and Government to people exchange, opposition in Syria doesn't hurt, it encourages reform.

3- Hold a Joint Border Security Conference in Damascus, sponsored by Syria, and showcase the whole world those news stories that the whole world ignored-sand dunes, extra patrols, more people captures, and how the U.S. has more border patrol on its New Mexico Border than In all of Iraq Borders. Nobody watched the above, but if Iran, Saudi, and Turkey (no Kuwait, because nobody cares about Kuwait) Officialy send delegations and participate in this Conference, I am pretty sure syria will have more reporters than flies. This will have a huge impact. Bush is getting more credible when he says Syria is sending insurgents, and then every other day they say a Syrian was caught, and a terrorist confessed to be trained in Syria..SHUT UP, more than 60% of all insurgents are either from Saudi Arabia, or came from there.

3- Speed up naming Non-Bathists as ministers, now that the naggy-ass Lebanese are done with naming government, good time for Syria to announce new reforms, and name new cabinet, and Advisory board...and so on, will get media attention

4- Allow me to be Minister of Information- Or Presidential Palace Spokesperson, I will do a Media war of Attrition, I will appear more on American TV networks than the Monkey-Lipped Bush says Evil Doers, and spread freedome together

Those are major things to do...many more, especially on Corruption, a safe way to end it. Nothing sends a message to the world tthat Syria really wants to be a reformed country than sincerly fights corruption.

 
At 7/19/2005 12:59:00 PM, Anonymous One Disobedient Motherfucker said...

Fadi,

I agree that from now on Syria should treat Lebanon just like any other neighbout, therefor cancelling all "Special Treaties" on oil, gas, electricity.

But the border situation is uncalled for, and is giving Lebanese/World more reasons to hate us. Now I don't care about the Lebanese (Unless they want to get back to Greater Syria), they can all turn into homos and Prostitutes for all I care..but I do care about the rest of the World.

 
At 7/19/2005 01:25:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

We SHOULD care about Lebanon, for sooo many reason. But mainly because it’s the only "friendly" neighbor we have, I consider Jordan and Israel as enemies, Iraq and Turkey as a question mark.

Second, from a strategic point of view, Lebanon is the only neighbor that can tag along with us in any Israeli peace deal. When Syria controlled Lebanon we did the negotiations for them but now they will have their own representatives and as insignificant as Lebanon might be in the region, it’s much better to consider them an asset than a liability.

Thirdly, we are practically the same people with the same culture, food, accent, habits etc. And brothers, with all their differences, need to stick together. Also, please spare us the bull shit about greater Syria. Lebanon will continue to be an independent country and our best hope is to be its primary ally.

Last and certainly not least, they know how to party like its no tomorrow and that is something we've got to learn from them and quick. This tacky conservativeness in Syria can be cute sometimes, but mostly it’s hideously dull. I had the pleasure of going to university in Beirut and that city holds a special place in my heart second only to Damascus. We screwed them and they screwed us, its time for us to kiss for a change.

 
At 7/19/2005 01:34:00 PM, Anonymous Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe said...

Lebanon? World Governments are collapsing, mankind are vanishing off this planet, who cares about these insignificant disturbances, who giva a damm, I don’t giva a shit. All I care about are the Syrian people human rights, freedom and development of the country to supersede that of Jewish and Arab Bedouins. GO FOR IT BASHAR, IF IT PLEASES YOU EXCELLENCEY ASS. JUST DO WHAT SSPRS ASKING OF YOU PLEASE.

 
At 7/19/2005 01:36:00 PM, Anonymous One Disobedient Motherfucker said...

Tarek,

I now know why the all bash at you. It is because of you said, "they screwed us", now we-The Syrians- Screwed the Lebanese, I agree, but they Screwed Us, I dunno what you meant by that. Where you with a bunch of your gay Syrians sitting, and a bunch of Lebanese guys screwed you? Brotherly Love?

Those fuckers have blind hate for us now. They are all my friends, and I have many close friends, but I know, deep inside they hate us.

OUr winning card of peace negotiation was Lebanon, now they are out..Watch it tomorrow as the peace process will be:

"Syria Lebanon, take Shebaa Farms, and decide who it is for"

"Oh yea, about Golan Heights, keep on dreaming."

The trade is gonna happen between Syria/Lebanon. Within a couple of years, we will get along better than ever. But YOU TELLING ME THAT WE SHOULD SELL THEM NATURAL RESOURCES AND OTHER STUFF BECAUSE THEY SCREWED YOU IN YOUR AUB DORM, I say, GO $#@@#$@#$ from the market, lube it up with KY Gel, and #$%#$%#$$#%##% your #@$@#$@#$#, then share it with your comrads in Lebanon.

 
At 7/19/2005 02:00:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you telling me we didn’t make mistakes in Lebanon? I am not denying that many Lebanese hate Syrians, to me there are two major reasons; an inherent racism to anyone different from the typical Lebanese (main reason for civil war). And Syrian mistakes in Lebanon which even our President admitted in his speech to the parliament. I am certain if the roles were switched we would have seen humiliation and oppression like no other from the Lebanese. But we cannot deny that we also fu%$ed up.

Another point is the fact that Lebanon is not more of a democracy than Syria. They have been ruled by the same people for 80 years. If you can change the mentality of their fu%$ed up leaders the people will follow.

 
At 7/19/2005 02:26:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look!

I didn't say hide behind the Masnaa Point and shoot every Lebanese in the head. I said treat Lebanon like any other country.

We did screw up in Lebanon, but at the same time, we were getting screwed ourselves. They should know that too.

All I am saying, is treat them formally..no more discount gas, no more discount electricity.

 
At 7/19/2005 02:55:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Let's face it; Syria has been backward compared to Lebanon for ages now. Even when I was little, and before the retarded Baathists took power in Syria, whenever I travelled to Lebanon, I always felt a different air and nature the minute we left Syria and crossed into Lebanon. Every thing seemed out of this world for me. Leaving behind the dust, the agressivness of the Syrians, their rough language, and the ugly clothings of the Syrian army and policemen. Lebanon is unlike any other Arab country. Lebanon was cut out of Paradise itself as described by prophets and holy books. The Lebanese people seemed always smoothers, more cultivated and at ease with modern life. I loved Lebanon and the Lebanese people. I still love Lebanon, of course. Lebanon is unlike any other fxxing Arab country. It is a piece of heaven.

So, no wonder that Lebanese later on developped an alergy to every thing that they saw as Syrian, that can not accept progress and evolution. Lebanese employed hundreds of thousands of Syrian workers, and for a country that small and poor of natural resources, compared to Syria, is there any wonder Lebanese feel supperior to Syrians and some of them get pomped so much that they start to look down at Syrians? I could not understand how the differences between Syria and Lebanon came about. Syrians love to put their garbage exactly at their door mats, or even when they are neat, to just put it at the neighbour's door. How come Lebanese villages always shined with their beauty far enough, while Syrians and Syrian villages always seemed ugly and unclean? Why is there such a difference?

Then, coming to the ages while the dictator of Syria goverend, I have no doubt that it was the Syrian regime that incited the Lebanese civil war, and it was the Assad regime that divided Lebanese and played politics inside the Lebanese unity to control Lebanon, and to destroy the Syrian opposition in Lebanon that used to have their own sanctuary there. It also wanted to destroy the PLO, and so, it destroyed Lebanon, and then played the role of its saviour with the help of Kissinger and Israel. Now, the Syrians say that they were saving Lebanon, and so many believe them, and repeat after them this ugly lie. The Assad regime's position for which it was hired in the region was from the start to destroy Syria and Lebanon, and nothing else. I say nothing else. That is its sole purpose of existence beside the enrichment of its members.

Mohammed (Alawi).

 
At 7/19/2005 03:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Muhammad,

First, I really don't know if your name is Muhammad or Charbil, and if your Alawi, or Yazidi. Postiong your religion doesn't prove your point better.

Now, if you like smooth stuff, and accent and what police wear, that means you have big gay tendencies.

You don't know what the difference is? It is the backwardness of our regime that made us reach this stage. The Lebanese are Syrian, not too long ago. Every Lebanese's Great Grandfather is Syrian by Documents and Passports, and if not, he is the son of an Ottoman, French, or someone connected to the above.

The country flourished because Lebanon was a sanctuary to all kinds of different religions that were supressed by Ottomans. Maronites, Shiites, Druzem Atheists and others fled to Mount Lebanon and decided to start a new life. Automatically comparing it to their old life, they worked for the best of the best.

And to your knowledge, Syria is still more beutiful than Lebanon, but I can still see what you like more in Lebanon.

Up until the Baathists, Syria was the most secular nation in the Arab world, early Syrian movies show you convertible cars driven by women wearing skirts shorter than the Haifa Wahbe. But oppresion, restriction, bad economy, all leed to increase in backwardedness, and retardation.


You say we don't accept change? we had more Presidents between independence and Assad than you have toes (assuming you are normal)
And we do accept changes, but after a while, people couldn't over power the Baathists because they planned it right. and from then on..the Gap between Lebanon and Syria grew at a faster rate. The whole syrian mentality is about Palestine, Western plans to take over the west and all that..education just changed the Syrian state of mind.

But for people that fled the country, we are more successful than anybody else. All Syrians abroad are more successful than anybody else, All Doctors, business owners, lawyers and pimps.

Look at Syrian Communities in Australia, Central Africa, South America, lot and lot better than anybody else, especially the lebanese. One thing that pisses me off, is that a lot of Syrians say they are Lebanese, I know many like that, Like Syrian father, lebanese mother they say Lebanese..

 
At 7/19/2005 03:56:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Anonymous:

At least give yourself a fucking name so people can point their replies to you. You proved my point in your post. As a retarded Syrian, you could not accept with civility what I was saying, so you resorted to insults and shaming some one you have no idea what he is like. In turn your language deserved my insults to you which you will get plenty of if you keep insulting people who disagree with your point of view.

I said Alawi so your ilks understand that not every Alawi is a Baathist, and that not every Sunni is not. We are individuals and we all have our individualties. I saw posts in this blog before that wanted nothing less than describing all Alawis as Assadists and murderers while many, including my self despise Assad and hate him and his Bathy regime much more than any of you, for we have refused rewards and high position and preferred poverty and unemployment to being nominated to a ministry or a clergy position to elevate Assad to be nearly God or God himself as Al Bouti and Khadam and Tlas and so many many others did. So now this fucking regime is "my regime" according to your fucking post?

My answer to you is fuck you. You are retarded and will always be inferior to any human standard. I did not start the insults, you started it, and it is up to you to change and argue logically and with facts. Syria under this regime or under all previous regimes always was retarded vis a vis Lebanon. Lebanon, no matter what you say about it consitutes a point at which you feel inferior and that is why you look for excuses. Assad (my regime) has been destroying Lebanon not building it, and every thing he did was to destory it, Lebanon is still even with its long civil war a lot nicer than your fucking/my fucking country. Imagine what would it have looked like if Assad was not destroying it for that long? You would have looked much iferior and felt exactly that. So, be thankful, as a retarded Syrian that you had Assad to bring down the differences between Syria and Lebanon, otherwise, the gap could have been much wider.

It is logic.

Mohammed ( The Christian).

 
At 7/19/2005 04:07:00 PM, Anonymous Metaz K.M.Aldendeshe said...

Yeah you both make good and bad points, interesting posts anyway.
Here is the deal:

The Dandashi's were living in North Lebanon and Tel-Kalakh region of Syria, when the French drew the boarders they cut us in half. Figuere this one out will ya.

 
At 7/19/2005 04:20:00 PM, Blogger Nur-al-Cubicle said...

Here we go:

Lebanese Presiden Emile Lahoud, a close ally of Damascus, has approved the composition of the new cabinet after three weeks of wrangling by PM Fuad Siniora, with the support of Saad al-Hariri.

The new cabinet includes 15 Hariri supporters and five members of the pro-Syrian Shi'ite alliance. Three other ministers are close to Lahoud and a fourth is an independent. No member of Michel Aoun's Christian block is in the government.

Hezbollah politician Mohammad Fneich has been named minister of Energy and Water Resources.


The ball is in Washington's court, which has promised punishment should a cabinet position go to Hezbollah.
Good for the pragmatic Siniora, who first caters to national interests.

 
At 7/19/2005 04:31:00 PM, Blogger Nur-al-Cubicle said...

Whew, this comment area is really rough and tumble, not to mention hostile. However, once you strip away the insults and invective, the opinions are a worthwhile read.

Heh, maybe this area is like that restaurant in Rome where if you don't insult the waiter, he won't take your order! Course the rule thre is that you have to be clever and indirect. An effyew is forbidden but colorful and wounding characterizations are fair game!

 
At 7/19/2005 04:55:00 PM, Anonymous kingcrane said...

Fadi,
I really like what you said. It reminded me of the "toz 'ala loubnane" quote by a taxi driver to Josh a few months back.

 
At 7/19/2005 05:58:00 PM, Anonymous sunshine said...

Dear Mohammed (the Alawi/ Christian/ Sunni/ Sabean/ Zoroastrian/ Mason/ Harry Potter worshiper.. who cares!),

I haven't read such an appalling racist and fascist comment since I finished reading the last piece of the chauvinistic bigotry-filled rhetoric written by jebran tuainy in annahar newspaper.

My friend, If you think that lebanon is "cut out of Paradise itself as described by prophets and holy books" (this is news to me BTW.. which prophet was it? The one that was jailed in Idleb few weeks ago?) AND Given that you are at least 40 years old -"Even when I was little, and before the retarded Baathists took power in Syria" (Mohammed the Alawi)- THEN I don't know why you did not leave this awful inferior place called Syria and go save your "smooth" and "cultivated" ANGELS living in this piece of civilized heaven called lebanon during its subhuman sectarian carnivore feast that the lebanese now gently call the "civil war"?

You know what.. you don't have to answer, as with your racist and sectarian pervasive mind I guess that you lived most of your life in Lebanon and not Syria.

One more thing my friend, if you consider yourself living in a "backward" and "dusty" place among "rough", "aggressive" and out-fashioned people, then maybe this is exactly where you come from.. I recommend moving out of your parents' house.

I also can recommend a very good shrink that specialize in childhood disorders… I'm sure that he'll be more than capable of understanding and dealing with the big tumour of RACISM and SECTARIANISM you're suffering from.. this guy is extremely good in these areas.. he's Lebanese.

 
At 7/19/2005 06:55:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

To Fadi 12.50,

You say that Syria could increase pressure on Lebanon by canceling the agreement on hydraulic ressources.

This 'agreement' is not compatible with the international law concerning water sharing (percentage are decided according to where the source of the water is and the length of the river in the different territories). In the 50's, Syria proposed to Chamoun to share the water 60-40 in Lebanon's favour but Chamoun refused because international law allowed us to get more. After it brotherly occupied Lebanon, Damascus 'negotiated' an agreement that gives 60% of the common water to Syria. But all the water in Lebanon comes from Lebanese mountains, not from Syria meaning that you cannot cut it. The water flows from Lebanon to Syria and not the inverse.

As for using the Israeli border, it's hard to implement this right now, because it would mean signing a new peace treaty in the middle of the intifada (not plausible). But there's no reason why this should not be implemented on the medium term. Someone said on Tony Badran's blog that it would undermine Lebanon's arab identity (I am not sure what that means). But Egypt and Jordan are already doing business with Israel. We won't tolerate double standards from the arab world anymore. If other brothers do it, we certainly can.

 
At 7/19/2005 07:02:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

to the Tarek who said:

"But what’s more dangerous than childish acts is Harriri and Jumblat's idiotic power trip they are enjoying. Did they not learn anything from the civil war? America, France, Israel, Italy and the Palestinians tried to tame and control Lebanon but all failed while Syria succeeded. Why? "

I If they learned something from the war it's to keep Syria out of Lebanese afairs

II In 1984, the international forces left with Lebanon with no glory after syrian sponsored groups blew a couple of buildings. The west shamefully bowed in front of syrian terrorism. But sine 9-11, there's a policy from western country to support fragile states in the arab world. USSR is dead, Syria is weak and there's no way it's going back to Lebanon.

Read less Michel Aflak if you want to understand how the outside world really works.

 
At 7/19/2005 07:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What did the Lebanese hope for after all those insults traded at Syria with the help of the West and for no good reason? Roses? The Lebanese have been very opportunistic in using the West to pressure Syria, but the truth is, at the end of the day, size does matter, irrespective of who is more advanced or who is more "sophisticated" than the other.... As the saying goes, "don't play with stones if your house is made of glass". The border issue is only ONE of the MANY options Syria has to ensure that Lebanon does not flatter itself too much...

 
At 7/19/2005 07:13:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

To Mohammed (Alawi).

We definetely need to put the alawis in the future Lebanese federation (except the baathis and the Lion Family of course). After all, allawis also have the right to self determination.

Minorities should help each other in this region.

 
At 7/19/2005 10:14:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

To Vox Populi:

Regarding your last post above; I never ever looked at my self as a member of a minority in any place I found myself in. I only described myself on this site as Alawi to be able to respond to blanket posts generalizing about every body, and making the fight against this dictorship regime is Syria as a pure sectarian fight. Some if not a large part of people who oppose the Assad regime, oppose it, unfortunately from a sectarian point of view only, or at least this is how they sound when they attack the regime.

I do not wish nor ever want to promote minority views. I never wish nor want to call for minority special status. It is the American system that I wish for Syria and Lebanon, and a system where the individual will have rights and freedom to florish and advance himself and his country, and humanity as a whole. I am against minority special powers or special status. That was the direction that Syria at least was going forward with, prior to the Assad plot that he really started in 1967 and accomplished in 1970. He was the one to turn Syria back into a dark history that really Syria never knew before in its darkest times. Syria was an example of integration for the world. A Syrian prime minister of Christian faith in a country with a large percentage of Muslims was able to have that position after the independence from France. A Kurdish General took power in 1949 in a coup d'etat. Up until today, no one hated him becuase he was Kurd. Shukri Kuwatli was Syria's president twice. He is of Turkish origin. No one was hating him because he was such. Many Druz generals became Chiefs of Stafs, or Army leaders, and no one ever mentioned that. Yes, concerning Alawis, that was a bit difficult, but when they had the chance to have high positions, the ones that followed Assad screwed up big time, and made it much worse for Syria's future. Syria is no more as it used to be because of the games, sectarians in many instances the regime played to solidify its power, and the regime took Syria away from its pioneering position as the country of equals and of secularism. Alawis will be paying a big price for the selfish goals of the few families, and unfortunately, ignorance among Alawis conquered reason.

So, my friend, I want Syria and Lebanon to become the way they were destined to become at first, prior to the corrupt regime of Assad. I want a US like system in Syria and Lebanon.

 
At 7/19/2005 10:32:00 PM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

A Republican System of Government is the only way to govern a country like Syria nd Lebanon. What are you describing as an American system is in fact Syrian. That is how Syria was ruled before the Moslem invasion on a senate basis with a representative government.

 
At 7/19/2005 11:08:00 PM, Anonymous Rami said...

Mohammed,

First of all, your reason/excuse for posting your religion is as fickle as the pathetic arguments you're making.

Second, whether you're really Syrian, or Lebanese, it is this type of mentality that earns you disrespect for your glaring ignorance and shallow analysis. A mere scratch of the surface can, without much effort, prove the fallacy of your theories.

Lebanon is a marketing gimmick. Sure, Lebanon today is slightly (and cosmetically) ahead due to a more open economic and political system. But, even a minimum of analysis will prove that it's not due to some inherent racial reason as you imply. Many of the most successful Lebanese (including the wealthiest of the Maronites are recent Syrian immigrants from Aleppo and elsewhere). They succeeded because they were afforded an opportunity in a freer system than the one they left. It's as simple as that.

When you compare Syrians and Lebanese on an equal footing, in the same environment - such as in immigrant communities, you will find them comparable, and you will find that the differences between them almost pale. And, if there is an edge of one over the other, it's in favor of the Syrians. I invite you to travel to Brazil, Argentina and Mexico, in addition to the United States and Canada. I lived in 3 of those countries (Canada, US & Brazil) and can attest firsthand to what I'm saying.

Now, let me remind you that these "refined" Lebanese that you're enthralled with are the ones that butchered each other's civilians at border crossings because of their sects. It's these tasteful Lebanese that demonstrated during 16 years of war the ugliest of human traits that cost them almost 200,000 people. I don't mean to say that this couldn't happen in Syria; indeed, it can. All I'm trying to say is we're all cut of the same stone; we're all inherently the same. We suffer the same afflictions. Whatever differences between us are attributed only to the difference in our systems. Even today, there are few differences, other than the cosmetic, shallow ones between all of us Levantines. And, what we don't need is some dumb-ass with an inferiority complex to open his manhole and contribute.

I recognize that much like an asshole, you have an opinion, and feel an urge to share it. Well, you did. Now, why don't you shrink back to whatever hellhole you came out of and leave the heavier discussion and analysis for those better equipped for them. You'd be doing yourself, us Syrians and....yes, your beloved Lebanese a big favor: With allies like you, who needs enemies!

Rami

 
At 7/20/2005 12:04:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Mr. Asshole Rami:

Yours and your friend's reply (if indeed you are not both the same asshole) shows exactly what type of creatures Syrians and Lebanese have been dealing with since 1970, I mean since your fucking bastard Assad came to power. It is such a dictatorial mentality that we have faced and that we shall surely defeat and render you back to your holes where you had come from, as your friend Saddam went back to that hole.

I did not start the insult or the use of bad language, but obviously any opinion that is not in line with your fucking brain needs to be attacked with insults and bad language, in turn, you get back the insults as you truly deserve.

Explain to your self Mr. dirty retarded Syrian (I mean you as dirty Syrian not the Syrians) how can you explain what I had described as Syrians putting the garbage in front of their door steps or their neighbours' or in the streets, while Lebanon had gotten rid of that habbit long long long ago, much earlier than the Assad regimes age? It is not genes, it is culture, and Lebanon was blessed to have more Christians than Muslims and that helped. That is the only difference between the two people, but there is also one difference, and that is that truly Lebanon is a piece of heaven, and even the old testament spoke about its beauty.

Your regime is about to end, mr. shit Ramy. Hopefully, I will be sending you to the hell hole you were talking about. I have already hired the people to get your ass fucked along with your president, the Girafe like, bashar assad.

 
At 7/20/2005 12:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could it be that mohammed is jewish since he knows the old testatment? But he makes sense in many of his points.

 
At 7/20/2005 12:35:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

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At 7/20/2005 12:45:00 AM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

I remember back in the 80's when 3000+ members of SSPRS predesessor were arguing just like that. Idle fighting, worthless arguments. That is why the Agha always said to me, keep it simple, keep it small. keep it seperated in groups. Learn from Amen / Marduk ways let the party be the capstone of the pyramid. Amen knows how to deal with the human race, he had 45,000 years of experience.

 
At 7/20/2005 12:45:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to keep the regime's expertise in toruture and prisons to deal with people like Rami when power changes hands.

Habib

 
At 7/20/2005 01:00:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Mohammed (quote)

"I do not wish nor ever want to promote minority views. I never wish nor want to call for minority special status. It is the American system that I wish for Syria and Lebanon, and a system where the individual will have rights and freedom to flourish and advance himself and his country, and humanity as a whole."

I completely understand your point of view. Who doesn't want freedom for everybody? But the reason I am promoting the right for minority to control their own fate is because I feel that the ideologies that are the most important in the Muslim group (which is islamist) prevent liberty and democracy. So I want to pull myself out of this group, to save my future and my culture. When a Christian Arab looks at the Arab world today, what does he see? He sees how the Muslim Brotherhood treat Copts in Egypt (whatever they say on tolerance, it’s not true). He sees Moqtada el Sadr wanting to put a veil on Christian women and encouraging bombing alcohol-selling shop. He sees Iraki Christians in Lebanon waiting to get a visa for the USA. 70 years ago, Iraki Christians who had to flee settled in Lebanon. Now they don’t want to that: they are afraid that the conflict will catch them in Lebanon.

Now of course if somebody have a magic wand and can erase these totalitarian ideologies there won't be a lot of difference between a Maronite and a syrian Sunni. But we cannot call ourselves a nation when wackos want to impose prehistoric charia law on me.

I believe that islamization of society is a long-term trend, not just a temporary fashion. The trend is accelerating since 9-11. The long term result of this will be something like a Taliban state. Islamism generates poverty and lack of understanding of the world which generates Islamism. This is why the Islamic world is going backward according to me. Even if there's a lot of secularized Muslims (especially Lebanese Muslims) what I see around me make me believe moderates are losing the war of minds. It's sad but it's true.

In the 50’s, religion wasn't a major important issue and this is why there was a strong ties between religious communities. But this is not the case anymore. I own nothing to the Arab world. It should be the opposite. I don’t have to prove anything to the Arab world. If this civilisation wants something from me, it will have to prove. I don’t know what’s going to happen but I know this: my children will not live in talibanistan. Either Muslims put Islam out of the public sphere, either we put ourselves out of reach of Islam.

 
At 7/20/2005 01:00:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excuse me (Syrian Republican Party), I am new to this, and do not understand the terms and names you have used in your above post. Please explain, and tell what is the Syrian Republican Party. Thanks
Habib

 
At 7/20/2005 01:58:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

Mohammed said:

" It is not genes, it is culture, and Lebanon was blessed to have more Christians than Muslims and that helped"

The ONE AND ONLY reason why Christians were superior to Muslims in Syrian and especially Lebanese society had nothing to do with their religion. The French and the catholic church in particular insured that Christians will be well educated in the Levant region. While Muslims and other minorities were left to tend for themselves. Even during the late days of the Ottoman occupation, special treatments to Christians were allowed due to pressure from the Vatican. So being Christian is not inertly better. Christians had a clear advantage over their Sunni counterparts, while the Shi3a were left to rot in poverty and ignorance.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Lebanon is truly blessed with its Christian population; it gives it a unique identity. But we should stop defining people by their religion, Christians, Alwaites, Shi3a it really does not matter. The "Sophisticated" Lebanese killed each other over these minor differences.

To Vox Populli,

So in your opinion bombing soldiers is considered terrorism, while Americans taking sides and helping bombing parties to a conflict they came to stop (under the name of peacekeepers if I may add) is fine? And what does Michel Aflak have to do with anything? I am not a bathist. But it’s an absolute fact that Syrian and Lebanese affairs will be forever entangled, if your pro-american ass likes it or not.

On your blog you try to sound fair and open-minded to some fools who are suggesting partition in Lebanon by stating:

“Too much ties exist with Lebanese muslims and they need us as much as we need them. I am also aware of the fact that not all of them are religious wackos.

Concerning the 80's period, a lot of things changed and it's not sure that muslim populations would reject some decentralisation (Jumblatt would be certainly OK for it, whatever he says in public). After all, they look for more conservative policies that they cannot implement in the current system.”


OH REALLY??? So Lebanon only has one kind of wackos? Your religious and political predisposition will not allow you to make unbiased analysis so please spare me. It’s this disgusting, and what seems to be inherent, “I am better than everyone else” Lebanese mentality that put Lebanon in the shits. You can blame the Palestinians, Syrians, Israeli’s, Muslims whoever you want at the end of the day it’s ALL Lebanese that have problems. And “they need us as much as we need them” proves my point you are still thinking in the mentality of sides instead of stating the plain and simple truth that we are all the same. Yes even dirty Muslim Syrians are practically the same as you Lovely Maronite Lebanese. Oh I’m sure that last comment makes you burn with rage.

 
At 7/20/2005 04:31:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading most of you comments i could not help but reply to the bullshit that I read.
As a Lebanese Christian, who has been under Syrian occupation for 30 years. I would like to start out by saying that Syria was an active participant in the war from the first day they entered Lebanon. after eliminating any one who stood against them over the years they gained full control of Lebanon with the blessing of the US and with the help of their Lebanese dogs (Jumblat, Berri, Harriri, and many more). It was really nice in the early 90s arriving to Beirut airport and seeing hafez al assaad pic in front of me and Syrian mukhabarat checking my papers or being stopped at a syrian check point and being insulted. Since 91 in addition to all the killing under your hands, Lebanon became a gold mine to your leaders and workers. Syria had a hand in every major industry in Lebanon (fuel, telecom, electricity, casino...)with the help of their Lebanese dogs, and stole billions of dollars over the years. Then we have your illegal undocumented workers numbering between 800k to 1Million who send every last penny made back to Syria, the solution since you all are so ungrateful to us is to kick all Syrians out of Lebanon and employ the Palestinians instead, who at least appreciate Lebanon and will keep the money in Lebanon. As for your so called economic agreements between our two countries, for your info it was a one way deal, you take and we give, so it’s a very good idea to cancel all these agreements and treat each other like independent countries do. How do you expect us to react to all the abuse you have done to my people and country, ins7ab musharrif my ass. Next step to get rid of the DOGS.

 
At 7/20/2005 04:50:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

To the last Anon

Its funny you did not name any Christian leaders as Syria's so called "dogs", of course there were many and you know it but probably as a typical Lebanese fanatic (whether Christian or Muslim) you all tend to blame everyone else.

Syria DID abuse its powers in Lebanon, but it also quelled the war and no one can deny that.

More importantly in regard to your ignorant comment about the economic situation I would like to say the following; Do you know that there are approx. 100,000 Lebanese working in Syria in mostly managerial positions? And that they make and bring back as much money as these 1 million Syrian workers? I don't hear anyone complaining about that, and why should they? Its economic trade in its purest form. Where Syria imports specialized skills its lacks and Lebanon import hand labor it lacks.

These brainwashed dogmas that’s been infecting the Lebanese mindset must end. The only one-way street was only political. Economically it was more give and take that you would like to believe.

 
At 7/20/2005 07:27:00 AM, Anonymous kingcrane said...

Gentlemen,
If you postulate that Syrians and Lebanese must be at odds, or that some Syrian and some Lebanese must be at odds all the time, then all the hostility appears justified.
Most Lebanese dislike Syria and Syrians, except those from their own sect, of course. Sure, people from minorities love people from other minorities, unless the majority sect is not a factor, and the quabbles shift to problems between the minorities. Your posts illustrate that we are far from being ready for secular governments.
On the subject of Syrian versus Lebanese authorities, I agree with Fadi's post. And, when people like Joumblatt and Hariri profitted blatantly from Syria's presence yet became (postumously for Hariri) the heroes of the "opposition" one has to ponder about the maturity of their most extremist supporters (Tueini and others).

 
At 7/20/2005 07:52:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

in response to the last post.
yallah to make you happy, christian dogs include; hobeika, hrawi, lahoud, murr, herden, pakradoumi and the list go on and on but at least they are still loyal dogs unlike the others who are the biggest Hypocrites the so called "opposition" jumblat and co.

 
At 7/20/2005 08:39:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

TO Kingrane:

You said: "Your posts illustrate that we are far from being ready for secular governments.">

What a better slogan for regimes such as the regime of the family Assad and their ilks love to hear.

Will we ever be "READY" for secular democratic governments? How long must the Assad family stay in popwer before it prepares the people of Syria for example for "Secular" and "democratic" system? 40 years was not enough? Will we see Hafez Assad the 2nd?

When people like you repeat this slogan, we know right away that they belong to the same gang that is controlling the system and that wants to world to believe that they are the only possibility for Syria. Unfortunately, this system you are advocating exists in every single Arab country, and they all were designed and imposed by foreign forces. The foreign forces found with a little of difficulties at first, those who would dio any thing to be on top, and to become the billionaires they are, and to be able to pass a whole country to their sons.

Syria must be liberated.

Mohammed (the Christian).

 
At 7/20/2005 09:32:00 AM, Anonymous One Disobedient Motherfucker said...

Mohuammad you dumb ass mother fucker!

Muhammad The Allawi, from your first post, I decided not to read anything you post again, but I guess all your posts are the same uneducated arguments that sound like farts in the sauna.

You illiterate son of a bitch, how dare you disrespect your country and say your inferior! I think your face is inferior, you prove Darwin is right you mumbling piece of wet shit!

Lebanese are Syrians who took the opportunity..and you claim you are Syrian, I think you are lebanese, and your mama works ina "Full Service" Massage Place, and your dad is fagget from Idleb who gave up little kids to hook up with Natasha, your mama, because he liked the cash. You are a Disgrace you illiterate mother fucker. All the maronites "people of the book" as you call them or whatever you said, are 7omsies from my home town you monkey ball sucking son of bitch.

Sorry other respectable viewers, but few people piss me off like that..good job

piece of shit!

 
At 7/20/2005 09:44:00 AM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

To both Lebanese and Syrian passport holders. Yes, to the passport holders, because this is what you are... you only hold a passport with a nice logo, but who do you really think you are?

You make zero decisions in this part of the world. Decisions on the Syrian part of the border has been made by the Baath party for the past 34 years, and in Lebanon by a handful of feudal families for 85 years.

All of you bloggers and other insignificant "Lebanese" and "Syrians" represent shit to both your countries; so shove your hatred and ignorance and try not to be so damn pathetic when addressing each others.

 
At 7/20/2005 09:48:00 AM, Anonymous Ibrahim loves tight leather pants said...

Ibrahim take that dildo out of your ass

 
At 7/20/2005 09:53:00 AM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

It's already in your mouth sweetie, stop gaggling... MWAH

 
At 7/20/2005 09:57:00 AM, Anonymous M.K. said...

I feel bad for Josh, having to deal with idiots like that.

Please don't post unless you have a comment on politics, a civilized one.

 
At 7/20/2005 09:59:00 AM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

M.K. refer to my post @ 9.44

Thanks

 
At 7/20/2005 10:11:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

That is what the Baath party and the so called "Eternal leader", Hafez fucking Assad has done to Syria and Lebanon. He destroyed everything including the faculty to think among many Syrians among whom you see few here who defend him with their soul and blood as their slogans say. They will not only defend Assad, but any of his huge pictures or statues with their blood. They decided to come and insult me for telling the world what kind of people they are. Why can't they answer issues instead of shooting their insults that turn straight back at them?

Syria and Lebanon should be liberated fromm the influence of this criminal regime. It was Assad and his dirty retarded regime that incited and fed the civil war in Lebanon, and we all know the drug trafficking that the Assad-Khadam-Kannan_Ghazli families got involved with because of teh situation in Lebanon, and how many billions upon billions of dollars they have pocketed from it.

http://www.welfarestate.com/panam103/

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/lockerbie-the_syrian_connection.htm

Mohammed (The Kurd).

 
At 7/20/2005 10:12:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

to Tarek,

I

You are perfectly right. Christians have a higher level of wealth because of the schools that were opened by foreigners (but mostly by their own churches) in the XIXth century. These schools were always opened to all communitites (a lot muslims families did not send their children because they were afraid of prosyletism). Nobody forbade other communities to scholarize their children or open their own schools. It has nothing to do with France favorising maronites in the 20 year-mandate. May I remind you that we had an ottoman mandate for 400 years with a full range of discriminatory/religious laws and that did not prevent a christian high-class from appearing. All is in education and I am glad you acknowledge this fact.


II

And the 1984 bombings were not just attacking american soldiers (bad american! bad!). It was attacking an international force mandated by the UN to keep peace in Lebanon. This force was established to keep Syria as well as Israel (who besieged just Beyrouth a few months earlier) as occupying Beirut. It was also the biggest terrorist attack ever until 9-11. It is terrorism.

And even if there's wacko christian militia leaders, the main difference is that they were trying to protect democracy, not promoting syrian occupation and an islamic state such as Hezbollah. The war was imosed on Lebanon's christian community and not the opposite.

Make no mistake about it.

 
At 7/20/2005 10:22:00 AM, Anonymous O.D.M (One Disobedient Motherfucker) said...

Muhammad (The idiot),

The Issue, Muhammad (the Retard) is you inferior sack of shit say Syrians are inferior.

Don't give me that Liberating crap. We all want a better Syria and a better government. You on the other side, need a kick in the balls, and deportation to a Lebanese gay night club

 
At 7/20/2005 10:28:00 AM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

Mohammed turning into the Black Sheep of the Syrian bloggers on this board. This is what you get for speaking your mind.

 
At 7/20/2005 10:56:00 AM, Blogger Nafdik said...

I feel bad for Josh and for both Syria and Lebanon. I am sure this blog is read by very serious political analysts, policy makers and the like.

The image they are getting about us must not be very flattering. I suspect they might be thinking that if the commentors represent the population (or even worse the highly educated part who can afford a computer and knows how to use it) then the Assad regime might be a much better choice than democracy.

I think Josh should either ban those commentators or ban the one who calls her self CondiBlondi (and BringThemOn but fortunately he never made it through the login process)

 
At 7/20/2005 10:56:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Reply to: "At 10:22 AM, O.D.M (One Disobedient Motherfucker) said... ":


Typical name and language of an Assdist.

Mohammed (The Assyrian).

 
At 7/20/2005 11:36:00 AM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

How about Moh'd the Phoenician? LOL ;)

 
At 7/20/2005 12:46:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: At 10:56 AM, Nafdik:

Don't be so shy. It seems your internet discussion boards experience is recent. This goes on in almsot every board, in civilized countries such as the US and Britian, and also in the uncivilized ones such as Syria-assad.

So, do not worry too much.

An Internet advisor.

 
At 7/20/2005 12:49:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

Leave the man alone. I disagree with most of his posts, but atleast he is not trashing the comment section. Like Rodney King once wisely said "Cant we all just get a long" ;)

 
At 7/20/2005 12:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Muhammad (the Fagget)m Tarik, and the Idiot Internet Advisor should all and get a threesome going on.

 
At 7/20/2005 01:02:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

I think that if George Bush reads this blog, he will never remove Bashar the short-sighted ophtalmologist from power

 
At 7/20/2005 01:14:00 PM, Anonymous Ahmad said...

hahaha, you think that Bashar is shortsighted? You are wrong. These corrupt guys know what they are doing, and they will continue to do what they are doing as long as some people like you propagate their lies.

It is the Assadist loyals here who are trashing the board, and making it look as if Syrians and Lebanese do not understand democracy and decency. Read Syria's consitution of 1920, and see what Syria was and how the successive coups that took place in it (starting with the famous one pushed by teh CIA in 1949, and the latest which was also pushed by the CIA in 1970 and still in power, how these coups and the empowerment of the egocentric savages of the Assad family (father, son and teh holy spirit) have done to Syria and Syrians.

Bush knows very well that what you see in this site or others have the Baathi elements using deragotory language, to discredit other Syrians.

The time for them to stay in power is coming to an end. Bush is the first US president to recognize the past wrongs the CIA did in bringing these Arab dictators to power in the first place.

What is needed is more uncoverings of the retarded regime's supporters tricks.

Ahmad (The phoenician).

 
At 7/20/2005 01:15:00 PM, Anonymous George W. Bush said...

Hi y'all!

I sure do like you Syrias, y'all have a sense hoomer, like them mexicans..hehehe, but hispanically speaking those folks do some serious work in this great nation.

According to my recollection, I said before that I want the bells of freedom to ring, I want the good to overpower the evil, and by God, the evil-doers shall not survive the American values.

god bless America, and nobody else!

 
At 7/20/2005 01:19:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

I do not think that the CIA is at the origin of every government change in the region like a lot of people in this blog.

 
At 7/20/2005 01:22:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

Any open supporter of Bush's foreign policy is so retarded a retaliatory answer is not necessary. You have humiliated your self sufficiently

 
At 7/20/2005 01:24:00 PM, Anonymous Bashar Assad said...

Heck, this is awsome!

My wife Asmaa was looking at this board, and got heated up (became horney) of the sexual words used here. I told her that this is guys language and does not apply to women, she stared at me with disbelief. May be she did not believe me.

Keep the good work guys. I am having so much excitement.

Sincerely yours,
Bashar H. Assad So many titles to list).

 
At 7/20/2005 01:31:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Mr. Tarek:

Be honest with your self. You know it in your heart that most ordinary Syrians love the USA, and love to even visit the USA.

You know it in your heart that if an American, and especially an American visits Syria, that Syrian people would love to show him or her their love and are generous when receiving them at home. You know very well, that when the US liberated Iraq, most Syrians were awaiting Syria's turn.

Yes, I am an open supporter of an American intervention to help the Syrian people get rid of the pre historic regime and its art of massacring and imprisonning and torturing people.

Mohammed (the Internationalist)

 
At 7/20/2005 02:23:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

Because you’re average Syrian does not know the real America. They believe what they see in the movies. Its a great place to visit but i would never live there (well maybe Miami ;). And don't you dare tell me American is a democracy ‘cause i might just vomit. The US is a great country, and has the sweetest people. But their governments foreign policy towards the Middle East is one sided and anti Arabic which like it or not includes you.

Syrians would love to show a European, Japanese or anyone from any culture their country because they are proud of it (unlike ur monkey ass). American intervention is being acted upon to support ONLY America's strategic interest in the region.

If they were in Iraq for the benefit of the Iraqi people i would have been the first to support it. But the sad truth is they are after the region’s dominance. So fuck American intervention and anyone who supports it.

And stop whining and start helping your country and government cause like it or not it will remain so for mid-term at the very least. I am not telling you to change your ideals, but you can find a way to constructively criticize it and help the Syrian society at the same time.

 
At 7/20/2005 02:24:00 PM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

All bunch of talkers and no action.
So what is your plan to bring better systems to Syria and Lebanon? Waiting for Bush! waiting till Assad changes his mind! withing till France no longer needs to sell Airbusses! don't waste your time waiting, none will come through. Start put a real plan of action and discuss it here. It is good to be concerned and an activist, put this energy into planning and strategy. It couldn't be all of ya on someone payroll to show up in here daily full time.

 
At 7/20/2005 02:26:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why Lebanese posts on this comment most of the time. None of you are Syrians, well, maybe one or two, """IF

 
At 7/20/2005 02:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

grow up...if you love the lebanese and Lebanon then go live there. If you want to be Christian then convert, if you want to be Moslem then convert, if you want to be an internationalist then stop inciting the stupidity of others. This is what Lebanon deserves for their courtship of the International media...all's fair in love and war. This is Syria - like it or not...and the Baathists are in power and are likely to remain there for several more years. The question is how to best prepare for the future and that is only through a stronger more diverse economy and a strong educational system.

 
At 7/20/2005 03:07:00 PM, Anonymous O.D.M. said...

Current Plan:

1-Make sure that there is dialogue, like this one.

2-Someone with internet abilities who often visits all Syrian blogs, and discussion groups email newsletters..etc should initiate a website (available)

3- Spread the website by word of mouth, and chain emails. and letting all blogs, newsletters, discussion groups..every Syrian that have seen a computer must now.


4- Website should include a polling service, a service to sign petitions, asking Syrians what they want federacy, republic, secular, islamist, orthodox...etc nation

4- Everybody should agree with majority, Come up with a name for a party

5- initiate news section in website

6- First news Story:

Press Release: Homs. January 1, 2006 The [insert party], with all of its [ insert member number] announces ultimatum to current Syrian Regime. Either [insert wants and needs] or face general civil disobedience from Syrians, and special regime-undermining civil opposition from [insert party name] Party.

7- After we get some buzz , Pitch the realease to 500 News outlets in the United States and Europe, I have excel sheet with 500 news desk editors. Let only 10 of them write about it, and 5 post it. I guarentee Elaph and All4 Syria.

the world would stand by civilians looking for freedom. And if we can get 500 party members people to take it to the streets for one objective, to be jailed by mukhabarat, watch your average Syrian follow suite. thousands would take it to the streets. Especially in a country where unemployment soaring around 30%, people would take it to the streets without knowing why..even if it was a gay pride march.

I will then inform the core 500 members of my disruptive techniques, since I am the one and only Disobedient Motherfucker you'll ever meet, this regime shall either change, or incorporate our ideals

 
At 7/20/2005 03:10:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Bathies gather their forces on this blog site to respond to one person, not an item at a time, but by throwing insults, blanket talks, and empty advices they should be the ones to listen to them, and no one else. Also they come in numbers that do not reflect the true percentage of their real number in the Syrian society.

As for the good advice of the Syrian Republican Party: Is this party a joke or what is it? Get your web page up soon so we can judge the content. Since you are a party, and I am just an individual, I am waiting to see your "Plan" that you are asking others to put forward. I called for my plan, and it is being realized behind the scene in ways you will be hearing about soon. The days of the Assad family in power are about to end, and God's willing their money they accumulated in foreign banks, stolen from Syria will be returned, or at least their descendants will never see.

Yes, long live the United States of America, the real force behind the evolution of mankind, both in technological achievements and the spiritual ones. The USA will help the Syrian people and I am so sure of that.

God bless president George W. Bush.

Mohammed (The Justice dept).

 
At 7/20/2005 03:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Mohamad, fuck you and fuck G Bush. fucking bastards like you keep the baathist in power..it just takes to compare them with mother fuckers like you

 
At 7/20/2005 03:50:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Let's reason. This is to the newest anon: "At 3:28 PM, Anonymous said">

1- How did people like me keep the regime in power? Don't you know that the regime has been in power since 1970 working openly and secretly with the US and Israel while accusing any Syrians who says anything that they are agents for Israel and the US?

2- Tell me what have you and your friends been doing for the last 35 years to kick this regime from power?

3- Has the regime stayed in power all of these years "B e c a u s e " people like me called for American support? What a lie!

4- Change your language and talk poiltely and with civility and let's see who is right. The regime is staying in power precisely because AMERICA thinks that the Opposition fragments are more anti USA than the regime itself, so America helps the regime and protects it against the oppositions. One example of that was the massacres of Hamah and Tadmur, for the Western Media led by the USA was completly silent about what happened, and did not even bring such news for years and years to their media outlets.

I say, it is people like You who keep this regime going because they fall into its trap of accepting the Patriotic Certificates It distributes at will to so called oppositions, and you are willing to abide by what the regime gives you.

Think before you start your insults again. Think. All it takes is to have an open mind, and to retrain your brain not to jump of fear of any praise for America.

The hatred that was spread across the Arab world against America helped no one else but those regimes themselves. You have allowed those regimes of getting the benefits of being America's sole agents in the Arab world.

Think.

Mohammed

 
At 7/20/2005 04:01:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

News concerning Hariri's murder (if you understand french go at http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/20050720.FIG0060.html and read the interview)


Mehlis: 'Mustafa Hamdan is Suspect in Hariri's Murder, Rustom to be Questioned Soon'
Lebanon's Presidential Brigade commander Brig. Gen. Mustafa Hamdan, President Lahoud's inseparable military shadow, has been publicly named by U.N. chief investigator Detlev Mehlis as a prime suspect in ex-Premier Rafik Hariri's assassination.
Mehlis, a Berlin prosecutor, made the bombshell accusation from his summer headquarters in Lebanon's central mountain district of Monteverde in an interview published by France's Parisian daily Le Figaro on Wednesday, The Agence France Presse reported.

Mehlis said he also plans to interrogate soon Syria's former military intelligence chief in Lebanon, Brig. Gen. Rustom Ghazaleh, who was the real ruler of Lebanon when the anti-Syria Hariri was assassinated by a one-ton bomb in downtown Beirut Feb. 14.

Mehlis did not say where he would interrogate Ghazaleh, who has left his Anjar headquarters in east Lebanon's Bekaa Valley when Syria completed its military evacuation of Lebanon on April 26. "As I have said from the start, any person concerned with security in Lebanon at the time must be questioned."

The Mehlis revelations were made public, possibly on purpose, just hours after the announcement of Lebanon's new government under Fouad Seniora's premiership to try to free Lebanon from the chains left by Syria's 29-year ruthless reign. The timing raised question marks whether it could have been possible to decree the new government had the Mehlis charge been announced beforehand.

On Hamdan, Mehlis said: "On the basis of evidence gathered, we have a suspect, Mustafa Hamdan. He was one of the first persons questioned because we had information that he is the one of those who gave orders to change the scene of the crime, just after the attack."

Mehlis went on to say "Why was this cleaned up? Deliberately? Through negligence? Both? I have quite a clear idea. But we are still in an investigation stage. I can't tell you any more."

There was no immediate comment from Hamdan or President Lahoud on the Mehlis charge.

U.N. investigators on June 21 searched Hamdan's office in the Baabda president palace and his Beirut house and then took him for prolonged interrogation.

"We have searched his home and his office. We have questioned him for more than nine hours. He has cooperated," said Mehlis.

The former chief of Lebanon's General Security Department, Brig. Gen. Jamil Sayyed, also was questioned by the U.N. investigators on July 6, But Mehlis did not classify him as a suspect in the LeFigaro interview.

Mehlis said his team had also received "good information" on the case from Israeli authorities. He did not elaborate.

The London-based Al Hayat said Wednesday Mehlis had issued a summons for Adnan Addoum, the justice minister on Hariri's assassination day and judge Rabia Ammash Qaddoura, the acting prosecutor general at the time, for interrogation. Both received the subpoenas but it could not be determined yet when the questioning session would be held.(AFP-Naharnet)

 
At 7/20/2005 04:04:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Syrian way of arguing or discussing issues is pretty strange and amazing. I think Syrians are dictatiorial in their nature, otherwise, they would argue intelligently, and prove their points with facts and logic, not by insulting their opponents and getting all emotional about some one's else opinion.

Syrians have been under a dictatorial regime for a long time, and what they are doing is understandable, but they should grow up if they hope of joining the civilized nations soon.

 
At 7/20/2005 05:33:00 PM, Anonymous kingcrane said...

Josh,
You need to police your blog.

 
At 7/20/2005 06:56:00 PM, Anonymous Nohammed said...

Kingcrane:

You can do this policing a lot faster than the owner of this blog as all of those using inappropriate language and insulting others are of your side of the fence; supporting the Assad regime. Why not try to convince them that they are doing themselves a disservice? Ask them to be civilised.

 
At 7/20/2005 07:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

May be in US courts, shall we find answers from an outlaw regime:

دعوى قضائية في واشنطن ضد المخابرات السورية



Tuesday, July 19


للكشف عن مصير شاب مختف منذ 28 عاما و«الشرق الأوسط» تكشف خلفيات القضية

واشنطن منير الماوري

قررت أسرة سورية تعيش في واشنطن، رفع دعوى قضائية ضد الحكومة السورية وأجهزتها الأمنية، لإجبارها على الكشف عن مصير أحد أبنائها المختفي منذ عام 1979.




وعلمت «الشرق الأوسط» من مصادر وثيقة الصلة بأسرة المواطن السوري محمد زهير الباشا، أن الأسرة بدأت بطرق باب القضاء الأميركي بالتعاون مع أسر أخرى لها قضايا مشابهة، في سبيل الإفراج عن معتقلين منذ سنين طويلة أو معرفة مصيرهم على الأقل.

ووفقا لمصادر «الشرق الأوسط»، فإن أعضاء في الكونغرس الأميركي أعربوا عن تشجيعهم للأسر السورية، على مقاضاة النظام في المحاكم الأميركية، بما يفتح المجال لمساءلة المتسببين في تغييب أبنائهم أو ممن مارسوا التعذيب ضدهم.

ومن القضايا المتوقع مطالبة النظام السوري بالكشف عنها، قضية المواطن محمد زهير الباشا وهو من مواليد 1957. وقد أكد والده «للشرق الأوسط» أن مصيره ما زال مجهولا، منذ أن اعتقلته المخابرات السورية في جامعة دمشق قبل 28 عاما.

«الشرق الأوسط» التقت بالباشا في منزله بإحدى ضواحي واشنطن، فروى قصة ابنه المختفي قائلا: «ولدي محمد ريم من مواليد 1957 كان ذكيا جدا يحب القراءة والمطالعة بشكل مذهل، ولم يكتف بقراءة ما تضمه مكتبتي الضخمة، بل كان قد ولع بالمزيد منها، فكان ينفق كل مصروفه في شراء الكتب، وكان منتسبا إلى كلية الحقوق بجامعة دمشق، وكان منتظما ومواظبا في دراسته يقضي معظم أوقاته في القراءة ومراجعة المواد الدراسية وهو أكبر البنين. وفي يوم 11 يوليو (تموز) 1979، ودع والدته وذهب إلى الجامعة، ومن يومها لم يعد ولم نعرف له أثرا، ولم ندر عنه خبرا، ومرت ليلة صعبة جدا لا يمكننا وصفها، وتوجهت مع والدته صباح اليوم التالي إلى الجامعة، وسألنا زملاءه فقالوا إنه لم يأت البارحة، سألنا عنه الأهل والأصدقاء فنفوا علمهم بأي شيء عنه. بحثنا عنه في كل مستشفى في كل قسم من أقسام الشرطة من دون جدوى، فاشتد خوفنا وأسرعنا إلى إخفاء كتبه بدفنها في أرض أحد الأصدقاء، الذي أحرقها بعد مدة خوفا على نفسه وعلى عائلته وأولاده. لم نجرؤ على السؤال عنه في أقسام المخابرات، خوفا من أن تدمر كل العائلة، كما كان يحصل في سورية. ولكن الألسن تناقلت الخبر بسرعة وبعد 3 أيام من اختفائه، استدعوني إلى قسم المخابرات الأمنية في شارع الخطيب، وتولى النقيب عدنان الحلو التحقيق معي، وتعرضت للتعذيب الجسدي والنفسي، حيث كنت أرى وأسمع المعذبين في ذلك القسم. وتعرض ولديّ تميم ووسيم لضغوط ودعوات متكررة للتحقيق. وأصبح بيتنا هدفا لرجال المخابرات.

وتابع قائلا «أصبحت أسأل من أعرفه ولهم علاقات مع بعض الأجهزة في النظام، ليساعدوني في الحصول على أية معلومات عن ولدي المفقود محمد ريم، فكان البعض يطلب مني مبالغ باهظة بالنقد الأجنبي، مقابل رؤيته على بعد مسافات بعيدة، والتي لم أستطع منها أن أميز إن كان هو أم أنه شخص آخر. وعندما طلبت رؤيته عن مسافة أقرب حتى أميزه، أو أتعرف عليه، طلب مني ضعف المبلغ، الذي لم يكن بحوزتي ولا بمقدوري توفيره. فقد استنزفوني منذ اختفائه..» وأضاف الباشا في روايته «وفي عام 1987 أخبرتني ابنتي بثينة، بأن صديقتها المقربة جدا، أعلمتها بأن أحد معارفهم أيضا كان في السجن، وأفرج عنه، ذكر أنه التقى بولدي محمد ريم خلال استراحة نادرة ولدقائق، في باحة السجن، بعدما وضعت أكياس من الورق على وجوههم، حتى لا يتعرف المساجين على بعضهم، إلا أن الاثنين رفعا الأكياس بسرعة وبنفس الوقت، فتعرفا على بعضهما، وذكر رؤيته لابني وكانا زميلين قبل سجنهما.

وأضاف «لم تتحمل زوجتي كل ذلك، فأصيبت بارتفاع ضغط الدم الشرياني، ولم تعد تستطيع النوم من شدة خوفها على بقية أفراد الأسرة، فكان الطبيب يعطيها مسكنات لتتمكن من النوم.. ثم تطورت الحالة إلى أزمة قلبية، أدت إلى وفاتها في الولايات المتحدة الأميركية عام 1989 بعد دخولها في غيبوبة». وتحدث الأب كذلك عن سيرته الشخصية ايضا، فقال «أنا من مواليد دمشق 1931 أحمل شهادة ليسانس من كلية الآداب بجامعة دمشق قسم اللغة العربية، كنت أستاذا ثم اجتزت مسابقة، فالتحقت بوزارة الثقافة والإرشاد في عام 1959، عملت فيها بعدة أقسام. ومنذ عام 1972 بدأت الضغوط علي، لأنني كاتب لا أتفق مع أيديولوجية البعث الشمولية. وكنت وما زلت من أنصار الديمقراطية واحترام الرأي والرأي الآخر. وهذا ما كنت أشير إليه دائما في كتاباتي. لقد استدعيت من قبل وزير الثقافة آنذاك السيد فوزي الكيالي عدة مرات، حتى بلغ به الأمر محاولة ارغامي للانتساب الى حزب البعث الاشتراكي، والالتزام بمنهجية البعث في كتاباتي، فرفضت، فما كان منه إلا أن نقلني وبدون إرادتي، إلى قسم آخر في الوزارة كموظف بلا عمل. وتكرر نفس الشيء مع الوزيرة نجاح العطار، فازداد الحصار علي. ثم أرغموني على تقديم طلب استقالتي».

وتابع قصته قائلا «منعت من الكتابة، ومنعت مسرحياتي الكوميدية التي أعددتها مسبقا لتعرض في أحد المسارح بدمشق. ثم عدت إلى التدريس، مهنتي الأولى. وعرض علي إمكانية الاستمرار في الكتابة، على أن يكون قلمي مواليا للنظام، فرفضت وفضلت الاستمرار في المجال التربوي، فمنعت إثر ذلك من التدريس في المدارس والمعاهد العامة، وضيقوا علي الخناق، إلا أنني لجأت إلى التدريس الخاص في المنازل، حتى يمكنني أن أعيل أسرتي».

وأضاف «ولأني انتقدت سياسة التدخل في شؤون لبنان، ودخول القوات السورية إليه، استدعيت إلى فرع المخابرات العسكرية في شارع بغداد، فذهبت إليه صباحا حسب الموعد، وتعرضت طوال النهار إلى تعذيب جسدي ونفسي، إذ كنت أسمع ما يدور في الفرع من تعذيب للناس.. ومساء أدخلوني للتحقيق، وكان رئيس المحققين عدنان الحلو، وهو شقيق زوجة نائب رئيس مجلس الوزراء محمد حيدر آنذاك. كان ذلك بعد اختفاء ولدي محمد ريم، الذي تحدثت عنه. وكان استدعائي إلى المخابرات العسكرية كل شهر لتجديد التحقيقات، أو يداهمون البيت فيحققون مع زوجتي وأولادي، ويقومون بتفتيش البيت حتى أصبح الجيران والأقارب يخافون من المجيء لزيارتنا، وتجنبونا لخوفهم من أن يتعرضوا للمضايقات أو التحقيقات، من خلال معرفتهم لنا، فأصبحنا معزولين، كل هذا جعلنا تفكر بالخروج والسفر إلى الولايات المتحدة، وبنفس الوقت خفنا من الافصاح عن جهة البلد، فكان في كل مرة يسافر الواحد منا تلو الآخر بدون ذكر أميركا، فكنا ندعي السفر لزيارة ابنتي المريضة في لندن، حتى لا نتعرض للتحقيق والمساءلة. وجعلت أبنائي يغادرون وبدون أن يشعر الجيران، وحتى أصدقاؤنا المقربون ظنوا أن سفرنا كان إلى لندن، وليس أميركا، إلى أن كان بيعي للبيت لقريبتي (بنت أختي)، وادعيت أنني مغادر إلى مدينة حلب. وكانت مشكلتي الكبرى الحصول على تأشيرة الخروج من البلاد، فقد كلفتني مبالغ طائلة، الى أن حصلت على اذن سفر في سبتمبر (أيلول) 1988، والتقيت فيه بجميع أفراد عائلتي، الذين سبقوني فردا فردا، ماعدا ابنتي الكبرى وفاء، فهي مقيمة في لندن مع زوجها وعائلتها».

وأوضح أنه قبل هذا بسنوات «كانت ابنتي بثينة سافرت إلى أميركا للدراسة في فبراير( شباط) 1983، وتبعها ابني وسيم في شهر أكتوبر(تشرين الأول) من نفس العام».

وختم الباشا حديثه قائلا «رغم وجودنا في الولايات المتحدة ما زلنا نشعر بالخوف والقلق على حياتنا، من أجهزة المخابرات السورية، والعناصر التابعة لها في الخارج».

"الشرق الاوسط"

 
At 7/20/2005 07:14:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

kingrane,
there's enough police in Syria. Are you sure you want some on this blog?

 
At 7/20/2005 08:52:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one posted an effective plan to confront the 60,000 armed loyals to Bashar. This number may double if you counted Baath party and other hardcores. Or do you think they will all run to the airport or Kerdaha?
Any realistic plans someone can suggests?

 
At 7/21/2005 01:29:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

How about NOT confronting them??? Why is everyone here so keen on military intervention? I can't believe you guys are actually Syrian and want a war in your country. Constructive pressure and change from within is the only peaceful solution. I know its been taking ages and the process needs to speed up. But war is not the answer and the outcome is far from certain.

As for O.D.M's plan I would like thank you for your genius. Not trying to put you down or anything but I feel you thought of that plan while you were writing the comment because its extremely shortsighted. You want the internet to be the main driver of this petition. But how the hell would you like a clear consensus of the Syrian public when internet penetration is less than 5%????????

 
At 7/21/2005 03:13:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with NAFDIK 10:56


"The image they are getting about us must not be very flattering. I suspect they might be thinking that if the commentors represent the population (or even worse the highly educated part who can afford a computer and knows how to use it) then the Assad regime might be a much better choice than democracy."

This is the result of policy in arabic countries and in most of arabic families: hold people down (like women, kids.......)uneducated, religious, weak, poor....

We, who watch it from outside, could think about a collective disease in oriental societies, they call it narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Source of evil is the patriarchal structure and the sheepherd mentality. Assad is just the result of society. Any syrian first of all should ask: what can I do to make the world a better place. After that they would have the right to ask for a better government and policy.

Why all the smart people here do not write endless emails to the rulers of the world? Tell them what is going on, let them see your disease and their guilt. We dont need big speeches, we need common actions to make our world a better place.

What about this REP. PARTY??? What do you offer? Some facts please.

Aphrodite

 
At 7/21/2005 04:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Mohamad,
You can go on talking about how great the american systems and policies are(second to your beloved Lebanese) but please look around you and try to learn something from Iraq, Palestine and the rest of the world. Bashar for another 10 years (i doubt he will stay that long) much better that the alternative. Please try to respect others minds and stop your superior talk.

 
At 7/21/2005 05:28:00 AM, Blogger raf* said...

aphrodite,

nobody knows what rep. party is actually doing - they may already be in the middle of organizing big change or they may be just a one-man show. they're secretive - which on the one hand makes sense, on the other prevents anybody who's not "in" to know what the deal is.

if you want to "effect change" in the mideast your options are wide open - from amnesty international via greenpeace to others. in SYRIA, i recommend DarEmar (http://www.daremar.org/) -- they are worthy of support.

If you're IN Syria - contact them & work with/for them in your spare time.

NO, i'm not a member and/or affiliated with DarEmar.

--raf

 
At 7/21/2005 06:00:00 AM, Anonymous Ja'jaa said...

Aphrodite , u are also stereotyping others and putting them all in one basket. Can't you see that the people who are abusing the site and trying to shut down their opponents by using abusive language are only from one side?

This is a game the assad's secret service plays all of the times.

Lebanese observer.

 
At 7/21/2005 06:53:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Jajaa observor,
I doubt there are "assad observors" as you call them on this blog otherwise it would have been blocked long time ago and for your information some people do speak in favour of bashar and support him.

 
At 7/21/2005 07:03:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

To the lovely Ja'jaa,

I am sure you did not mean to antagonize anybody with that nickname. But nevertheless you can at the very least try and be unbiased in your commentary. There is more opposition than pro-government here and everyone insults each other. Actually, anti-government individuals get more emotional and insult significantly more than anybody else (i.e all the SRP comments). I know cause I’m the target to much of these insults.

And why does everyone who is supporting the status quo needs to be part of the "Assad secret service" as you call them? I am sure they read this blog but i highly doubt that they join in the discussions.

Maybe some of us don’t feel the need to see our country fucked by civil war. Oh but I am sure you wouldn’t mind that scenario at all. I.

 
At 7/21/2005 07:24:00 AM, Anonymous Ja'Jaa said...

"The innocent Syrian Mukhabarat does not at all intervene or discuss anything. It is the criminal opposition individuals and groups that use abusive language and empty their emotional grudges here. " Tarek

AT least that is what you insenuated in your various posts. I have the feeling that it is you who insult and use that kind of language, and then come under Tarek's name and try to be reasonable in the cleverness sense.

It was Syrians and Lebanese Ms. Aphrodite who taught the world the meaning of etiquettes and what we call in Arabic, Adab which means good and civil behaviour. Syrians and Lebanese were not used to this American slang that even your high officials use and your movies are full of them that are so abundant in your society and daily lives. It is those Syrians here who are probably living in the USA that are using such terminology learned in the USA and not in the Middle East. Before you preach to others, learn about yourselves and what you have been exporting to the world of aggressive behaviour and loud uncivilised music.

Lebanese observer

 
At 7/21/2005 07:30:00 AM, Anonymous Ja'Jaa said...

"Maybe some of us don’t feel the need to see our country fucked by civil " Tarek


Even when Tarek comes under Tarek's name that he wants to give it some sort of civility, he can't hide his deep love with such a language.

Lebanese observer

 
At 7/21/2005 08:26:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

I did not insinuate anything of that sort. And i would like you to stick to the topic instead of spending two comments obsessing over me using the word "Fuck" and trying to teach me manners ok mommy? ‘Cause i do not see what’s the problem as long as I’m using it in the proverbial sense.

 
At 7/21/2005 08:40:00 AM, Anonymous kingcrane said...

Josh,

Policing this site does not bother me at all, even if I have oddly been "assimilated" to the pro-Bashar Assad camp.
Oddly, when I visit Damascus, all my friends and relatives refuse to debate politics with me, as I have been categorized, once and for all, as an anti-Ba'thist under watch.

There is a lot of police in Syria, indeed, waiting for the opportunity to get a 100 pound bribe in exchange for tearing an illegal parking ticket. No, when I say policing the site, I mean that we need less below the belt invectives (literally and figuratively) and the only way to achieve this is by asking people to be registered participants.

Thank you for your efforts.

PS: More articles by Sami Moubayyed, please.

 
At 7/21/2005 09:03:00 AM, Anonymous anonymous22 said...

kingscrane; you are the type of person Aphrodites was speaking about, the patriocal type. You want more of Sami Mubeids's articles? It is easy to find with a bit of efforts from your side. Search engines give you that (Thank to the American invention). You need not wait for some one else to copy articles here.

Very clever trying to pass yourself as anti-bathist to Josh by speaking with your fork tongue. You are not smart enough.

 
At 7/21/2005 09:11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obviously everyone has his/her own agenda on this blog but if we take out the crap talk, there are a few things we can learn.

 
At 7/21/2005 09:15:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get these fucking Lebanease and Assadist off this comments will you please.

 
At 7/21/2005 09:16:00 AM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

Some rumour coming on the next article. We are trying to verefy it first.

 
At 7/21/2005 09:17:00 AM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

verify

 
At 7/21/2005 10:11:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

I love the writing of the Tweinis:

جبران تويني: من أحقّ بالتعويضات سوريا أم لبنان؟
GMT 3:30:00 2005 الخميس 21 يوليو
النهار اللبنانية



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نقول للبنان مبروك ولادة الحكومة الجديدة. ولكن، قبل ذلك، نقول له مبروك ولادة الوفاق الوطني الجديد مع تصويت مجلس النواب على قرار العفو عن الدكتور سمير جعجع.

لقد طوى لبنان صفحة، ليتها تكون الاخيرة، من صفحات تاريخه الاسود، تاريخ حكم الوصاية السورية. تاريخ الذل والاذلال. تاريخ قمع الحريات واعتقال الاحرار. تاريخ الابتزاز السياسي والقضائي. تاريخ العار الذي أخّر تنفيذ اتفاق الطائف 15 عاماً ومعه الوفاق وتحقيق حلم استرجاع لبنان حريته وسيادته واستقلاله.

لقد شكّل تصويت مجلس النواب على قانون العفو خطوة تاريخية واساسية على طريق بناء لبنان الجديد، وتحقيق حلم انتفاضة الاستقلال، انتفاضة 14 آذار.

وليُسمح لنا بالقول هنا وبكل صراحة، انه لولا تلك الانتفاضة واهتمام المجتمع الدولي بلبنان وبرسالته ودوره، وترجمته ذلك بالقرار 1559 لما تمكنا اليوم من ان نفتح تلك الصفحة الجديدة.

كذلك لولا انتفاضة الاستقلال لما عاد العماد ميشال عون ولما جرت الانتخابات النيابية الحرة، رغم قانون الانتخاب الاعوج، ولما تمكن مجلس النواب من التصويت على قانون العفو عن الدكتور سمير جعجع.

ولقد وحّدت تلك الانتفاضة، اللبنانيين بعد اغتيال الرئيس رفيق الحريري، وجعلت المجتمع الدولي يصغي الى صرختهم ويقف بجانبهم في معركتهم.

ونجحت تلك الوحدة لأنها تكرست في تحالف تاريخي بين "تيار المستقبل" و"لقاء قرنة شهوان" و"اللقاء الديموقراطي".

واثبت هذا التحالف، الذي هاجمه البعض واعتبره البعض الآخر مجرد تحالف انتخابي غير صادق، انه تحالف وطني، حصّن الوحدة الوطنية بين المسلمين والمسيحيين، واثمر عفوا بعد الانتخابات عن الدكتور جعجع جاء خطوة اولى تاريخية على طريق المصالحة الوطنية، ممهدة لخطوات اخرى على طريق الاصلاح والتغيير من اجل بناء دولة القانون والمؤسسات حقاً، دولة العدل والعدالة والمساواة، دولة الحرية والسيادة والاستقلال.

أما بعد، نقول مبروك للبنانيين الحكومة الجديدة التي طال انتظارها، بعدما كان تأجيل تأليفها يندرج ضمن مخطط مدروس يهدف الى ضرب الاستقرار الداخلي امنياً من خلال الاغتيالات والتفجيرات، واقتصادياً من خلال الحصار السوري على الحدود، وسياسياً من خلال محاولة نسف تأليف الحكومة.

فولادة الحكومة ستسمح للبنان بأن يواجه التحديات والاستحقاقات الامنية والسياسية والاقتصادية والاجتماعية والمعيشية. وعلينا ان ننتظر بيانها الوزاري وبداية عملها الميداني لنحكم عليها، انطلاقاً من قناعتنا بأن الديموقراطية السليمة لا يمكن ان تحارب الا من خلال المؤسسات، وعلى اساس اعتماد مبدأ الفصل بين السلطات وفي ظل معارضة حية وايجابية، معارضة بناءة هدفها مراقبة الحكومة ومحاسبتها عند الحاجة باسم الرأي العام وبهدف التصحيح والتقدم.

واننا نتمنى على الحكومة ان تسرع في ضبط الاوضاع الامنية، وايجاد حل للمشكلات المالية والاقتصادية والاجتماعية، اضافة الى وضع قانون انتخاب جديد مع التأكيد على أولوية حل المشكلات العالقة بين لبنان وسوريا، ومساعدة لجنة التحقيق الدولية في كشف الحقيقة حول اغتيال الرئيس رفيق الحريري. اذ ان نجاح اللجنة في عملها سيمنح لبنان الحصانة المطلوبة كي لا تبقى ارضنا سائبة امنياً، دون اي مظلة تحمي اللبنانيين وبالاخص المعنيين منهم بالشأن العام والذين اصبحوا مجرد اهداف امنية. كما ان نجاحها سيؤثر حتماً على تصحيح المسار السياسي الداخلي بعد اقترابنا من الحقيقة التي يبدو انها بدأت تنكشف.

ولا بد هنا من حاشية حول موضوع الحصار السوري المفروض على لبنان. فقد كان مفترضاً في الحكومة السابقة ان تتحرك بطريقة ما لمساعدة المزارعين والصناعيين الذين ضرب عليهم الحصار، ووضع باخرة او اكثر في تصرفهم على حساب الدولة، او الطلب من شركة طيران الشرق الاوسط ان تنقل على متن طائراتها بعض المنتوجات الزراعية، عندما تكون حمولات طائراتها تسمح بذلك، وذلك لكسر الحصار السوري والخروج من حلقة الابتزاز والتهديد والتأنيب التي لا يمكن ادراجها الا في خانة الانتقام من لبنان!

ولقد جاء تقصير الحكومة السابقة بمثابة تغطية للجريمة السورية في حق المزارعين اللبنانيين.

وتعليقاً على كلام الوزيرة السورية للشؤون الاجتماعية والعمل ديالا حاج عارف التي زعمت ان من حق سوريا المطالبة بتعويضات عن العمال السوريين الذين قتلوا في لبنان، نقول اننا قد نوافق على طلبها على ان يطالب لبنان سوريا بدوره بتعويضات عن القتلى والجرحى والمخطوفين بسبب القصف السوري لبعض المناطق اللبنانية، والاعتداءات السورية ضد المواطنين اللبنانيين.

وان يطالب سوريا ايضاً بتعويضات عن كل الخسائر المادية الناجمة من احتلال جيشها املاكاً خاصة عائدة الى لبنانيين وتدميره ممتلكات خاصة اخرى بفعل الاعمال العسكرية والامنية.

وتطول قائمة المطالب لتشمل تعويض اللبنانيين الذين اغتيلوا، وضربوا، وخطفوا، وسجنوا واهينوا على يد عناصر الجيش والمخابرات السورية، فضلاً عن اللبنانيين الذين اضطروا الى الهجرة هرباً من حكم الوصاية الذي بطش بالحريات.

... فيا معالي الوزيرة، ان لائحة التعويضات اللبنانية طويلة جداً، في حال اراد لبنان المطالبة فعلاً بحقه بدءاً بمطالبة سوريا بالاعتذار من لبنان، مروراً بترسيم الحدود، مع المطالبة بوثيقة رسمية في شأن ملكية لبنان لمزارع شبعا، وصولاً الى قضية المفقودين والاسرى القابعين في السجون السورية!

ولا لزوم هنا للتعليق على كلام السفير وليد المعلم الذي يظهر مدى حقده على اللبنانيين لانهم طالبوا بحقهم في ان يكونوا احراراً واسياداً في بلدهم!

ولن نعلّق ايضاً على كلام الوزير غازي كنعان الذي كان احد المفوضين الساميين في لبنان وشارك في ضرب مقومات الدولة اللبنانية ووحدة الشعب... لن نعلق على كلامه حول "لا وفاء الشعب اللبناني"، لأننا مهما قلنا فسنبقى مقصرين في كشف الحقائق المتعلقة بالمكاسب الاقتصادية والمالية التي حققتها سوريا في لبنان وعلى حسابه... ولا حاجة بنا هنا للتذكير بما قيل وكتب حول عمليات التهريب وحماية زراعة المخدرات فضلاً عن سرقة السيارات وتبييض الاموال وفرض الخوّات الخ...

كما اننا لن نعلق على كلام الوزير كنعان حول انقاذ سوريا للجيش اللبناني تاركين لقيادة الجيش كتابة تاريخ المعارك الباسلة التي خاضها جنودها على خطوط التماس وفي المدن اللبنانية دفاعاً عن القصر الجمهوري ووزارة الدفاع في وجه القصف الجوي والهجوم البري السوري. فهل تدخل تلك المعارك قاموس غازي كنعان في خانة خدمة الجيش وانقاذه وبنائه؟

واننا نقول بكل صراحة للحكم السوري ان هذا النوع من الكلام الذي أدلى به المسؤولون السوريون مسيء الى سوريا اكثر من اساءته الى لبنان؛ كما ان الممارسات السورية غير الاخوية على الحدود تدل على استمرار اعتماد دمشق سياسة الغباء والحقد التي كلفت سوريا ولبنان الكثير الكثير من الاضرار على مستوى العلاقات الثنائية.

فهذا النهج العدائي لا يخدم العلاقة بين الشعبين ولا بين الدولتين. وما حصل من اداء وتعاط للحكم السوري مع لبنان منذ فرض التمديد بالقوة للرئيس لحود، افقد سوريا صدقيتها الدولية والاقليمية. وستفقد المزيد في حال استمرت على هذا المنوال.

علماً ان احداً في لبنان لا يريد العداء لسوريا. بل العكس هو الصحيح، اذ ان كل اللبنانيين يطمحون الى تصحيح العلاقة بين البلدين لتصبح طبيعية، ممتازة ومميزة. وقد تكون هذه اولى مهمات الحكومة الجديدة، كي لا نقول ادقها، على امل ان تبدأ بزيارة رسمية للرئيس فؤاد السنيورة لدمشق تتوّج ايجابياً بفتح الحدود وفتح السفارتين في بيروت ودمشق مع تبادل تمثيل ديبلوماسي يكرس الاعتراف المتبادل بين البلدين بحسب المواثيق الدولية.

 
At 7/21/2005 10:47:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

What a load of garbage. No one in Lebanon wants hostility toward Syria? Tweini is the Lebanese counter part of our delusional officials. He is no better than the people he criticizes and both manipulate the facts for their own agenda.

He is good at one thing and that is writing in a manner that can stir the emotions of the masses without considering unbiased analysis or consequences of his childish language.

 
At 7/21/2005 11:12:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

anon 4.02, you want to know why the Lebanese political system is better? Because we don't have any lebanese citizen in Tadmor-like jails (except... in Tadmor of course).

Even hardline islamists are out of jail now due to the amnesty law.

 
At 7/21/2005 11:22:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Tarek,
Although I am not fond of Tueni, I found him some qualities

I Tueni is a democratically elected politician

II He heads one of the most respected newspaper in the arab world

III The same newspaper is one of the few that regularly publishes syrian dissidents

IV
There's a real world outside you know?

 
At 7/21/2005 12:20:00 PM, Anonymous kingcrane said...

Lebanon is entitled reparations for deeds committed during the Syrian military presence? Sure, and what about:
-Asking for the Israel military to pay for their deeds in Lebanon? Never mind Palestine and the occupied territories.
-Asking for the US military and the coalitin to pay for their deeds in Iraq?
-Asking for Saddam to pay for his deeds in Koweit; as far as I know, the only party that paid for that was innocent Iraqis who were denied food and medicine by the food-for-oil scam that benefitted the rich and powerful, in Iraq and in other countries.
PS: Gibran Tueini is just another poodle working for Usrael, the Koraytem mafia and the House of Saud.

 
At 7/21/2005 12:42:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

you made me crack of laughing mr. "anti-baath" kingcrane..what a comedian!

The House of Saud is the one that brought your leader Hafez Assad to power, and with their supplies of money kept him in power for that long.

Tuwaini is now an Israeli agent? shame on you.

Mohammed

 
At 7/21/2005 01:58:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Kingrane, the fact that Israel occupied south Lebanon is absolutely not an excuse for syria (and vice-versa). And we all know that nobody is every going to pay us a cent but this is only to show how ridiculous otri claims are.

 
At 7/21/2005 02:16:00 PM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

Naji Otari (aka Assad's Goebbels) spits another venom:

Damascus: Disarming Hizbullah Threatens Syria's National Security

'Disarming Hizbullah in Lebanon will turn that country into a playground for Israeli intelligence and threaten Syria's 'national security,' Syrian Prime Minister said in comments published Wednesday.
Prime Minister Mohammed Naji Otari told Kuwait's Al-Anba daily that 'taking away the weapons of the resistance will make Lebanon open territory for the Israeli Mossad (spy agency) ... to play in as it wants.'

The interview took place in the Syrian capital Damascus.

'In addition to that, it will threaten the national security of Syria, and that is the most important point for us,' Otari said. He did not elaborate.

Hizbullah refuses to disarm and Lebanese authorities have so far resisted pressuring it to, calling Hizbullah a resistance movement. The Lebanese army has not deployed to the south, allowing Hizbullah to control the border since Israeli troops ended an 18-year occupation in the area in 2000.

Asked if he thought Syria would be Washington's next military target, Otari said: 'I don't think so, because America cannot get out of Iraq, cannot get out of the quagmire it is in. It cannot open a new front.'

Washington accuses Syria of supporting 'terrorist organizations' including Hizbullah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and of not doing enough to prevent infiltration of Arab fighters into Iraq. Damascus denies the allegations.

Otari said ties between Damascus and Baghdad were 'excellent' and that there would be 'an Iraqi ambassador in Syria very soon.'(AP)

{How about a Syrian ambassador in Lebanon?}

 
At 7/21/2005 02:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To mohamad, please dont stereotype people as baatist and non-baathist, it makes you look like an ignorant outsider who knows nothing about Syria. (you loose credibility on everything else you say)

 
At 7/21/2005 02:20:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok barhoum, so what do you want now?

 
At 7/21/2005 02:21:00 PM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

The Syrian Republican Party will be asking the Bedouin of Arabia, including the house of saadan ( monkey) to pay up for damage to the Syrian People. Last count made over 2 years ago the accumulated damages estimated at 740 Billion USD. They will pay up or will not be able to get a drop of oil out of the ground.

 
At 7/21/2005 02:31:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

I know for a fact that Syria abused its powers in Lebanon. But what do you expect from a third world country? If the world’s only superpower is using its influence in Iraq to win big contracts??

And at the end of the day who ended the Lebanese war??? it was Syria and a moron would deny that. Christians had a good reason to hate Syria all these years because they took over their dominance and shared it with other sects that never had any the Maronites and Sunni’s had their sweet deal.

Non-Christians were either supportive or passive about the Syrian presence until only a couple of years ago. Because they knew the alternative was worse. The Lebanese have to learn to take the blame for the war. Israel, Syria and all other foreign players just played the game ‘cause they had to. Neither of them were gonna let a weaker neighbor be dominated by an enemy. Unfortunately the innocent Lebanese civilians got screwed and that’s a sad fact of life, but that’s how went. Syria did not start the civil war and when it go into it was to stop the Christians from getting massacred. But when the balance tilted back in the Christians favor they said thank you very much now get out so we can have our revenge on the Palestinians and their allies. Syria paid shit loads to win in Lebanon and wanted to milk that cow till the last minutes. That was their mistake but it happened but don’t blame everything on them. Cause if it wasn’t for their “occupation” Lebanon would still be a mess.

 
At 7/21/2005 02:55:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Ref: Otri

This "Akhras" family of which Otri is a member had sold their daughter (Asmaa) to the son of a dictator, who is the actual dictator to get themselves the advantages they are getting. Otri became the Prime Minister, Abrash (Another of the Akhras family) became the speaker of the house, and her father, an ordinary syrian doctor who was naturalized British got himself a position as the president of the British-Syrian Friendship Association, and their commerical contracts are pretty amazing for a family that was obscure before this marriage. The Akhras family (The Mute Family) should behave as their name indicates, just be mute and let business grow.

So, whatever Otri said is worthless. Syria's military has not even reposnded to a single Israeli defiance since the famous 1973 war game. The Syrian soldiers are busy building villas for their officers or smuggling hash to the outside world. Russia is lucky to be still selling them useless armements for money it needs. They don't even care if the armements are good or worthless because they do not intend to use them anyway, and the old technology that they still have is enough to destroy any city in Syria like they did to Hama.

The party of the devil (Hizb Al Sheitan) was a good propaganda tool for the Syrian regime for over 2 decades. Now, it will be useless for the first time since, and they better look for a new tool to keep claiming their slogans of Syria's anti Western, Anti Imperialism, and Anti Zionist shouts to quell the people voices for freedom.

Mohammed (The liberator).

 
At 7/21/2005 03:19:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

The 10 most corrupt families used to be:
1- Assad
2- Makhlouf (Assad's mother side)
3- Khadam
4- Tlas
5- Shehabi
6- Masharqah
7- Kadah
8- Kanaan
9- Duba

Add to them families who are not at the front seat but who shared their wealth and got richer with their associations with the above families, such as the A'edi's , the Akaad's and so on.

Now, the Akhras family will be just after Makhlouf.

Mohammed (The liquidator)

 
At 7/21/2005 03:53:00 PM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

Tarek,

Just to correct your misconceptions:

1. Syria did not end the war in Lebanon, it was an international consensus headed by the United States, Saudi Arabia and France. The Syrian Army being the largest power broker in Lebanon at that time was given green light by the US to invade the areas still held by Gen. Aoun, thus effectively ending the last resistance to her occupation.

2. What you ignorantly claim as "sharing of power" amongst different Lebanese communities is known as the Divide and Conquer strategy, which the Syrian regime excelled at applying in Lebanon for the last 29 years.

3. "Israel, Syria and all other foreign players just played the game ‘cause they had to. Neither of them were gonna let a weaker neighbor be dominated by an enemy."

Now that must be the dumbest comment I've read on these boards. Israel and Syria invaded Lebanon because they HAD to? I can't believe I even typed those words (and the US are in Iraq because they HAD to).

4. Now for the rest of absurdities that you sputtered in a little more than a few lines, read and learn:

a. The Syrian regime actively participated in starting the Lebanese civil war. There wasn't a single power which provided so much military, logistical and political support to the PLO and other Palestinian Fedaeyeen in Lebanon right from 1971 till 1975.

b. The fable of defending the Lebanese Christians from being massacred should stop. Do you really think that the Palestinian armed forces and other leftist militieas would have killed hundreds of thousands of people in a spat of days or weeks? What would have happened would be similar to the massacres of the Chouf and other parts of Lebanon. Furthermore, the Palestinian civilians would have colonized Lebanon and thus solved one of Israel's gravest problems. Do you really think that this is what Assad wanted? Hafez just wanted to break Arafat and his leftist allies before they grew too strong. These were the same people that he was supporting all those years. (re: Divide & Conquer). Hafez couldn't care less for 100,000 Christian dead or 20,000 Muslim dead (re: Hama); what he really wanted was to rule in Lebanon, and rule he did. (Oh yeah, Syria came into Lebanon to save the Christians from massacre)

c. The excuse of "blaming everything on Syria" is a bit old. Not everyone "blames everything on Syria": It is not only the case of the Syrian meddling into Lebanese political, social and economical affairs but also and mostly the corruption and viciousness of a feudal and sectarian system that wrecked the entire Lebanese republic.

Indeed the Syrian people paid alot for Assad to win in Lebanon. But what did the Syrians get out of it? Very little if nothing, and we all agree on that point. Who do you think benefited the most?

Thank You.

 
At 7/21/2005 03:58:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to mohamad,
you have your facts wrong: Otri is neither part nor even a relative of Akhras family.

 
At 7/21/2005 04:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for the records: Akhras family are aristocrats and her father is a multimillionaire and after five years of presidency there is not trace what so ever that Akhras family are trying to get involved in politics or political power

 
At 7/21/2005 04:21:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

I wanted to respond to Tarek unsubstantiated allegations (again, it's getting boring) but Ibrahim brilliantly replied.
Tarek I am afraid that you don't know much about Lebanon's war. Go get a book (I recommend you Robert Fisk 'pity the nation')

 
At 7/21/2005 04:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh great, we'r back to lebanese war now!! please go discuss it somewhere else, boring, boring and fucking boring.

 
At 7/21/2005 04:44:00 PM, Anonymous Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe said...

The Akhras family are a low class family from Homs. The majority of the family since the French mandate worked as Civil Servants and never held even a low level leadership position even in local Homs Municipal Board. The family intermarried with the Atrash family which is slightly notable and the Tlaimat family a well known commercially active family and rather well to do one in Homs. The Akhrases family, had no ownership in lands or commerce, just the basic government salaries they earned.

Not sure if the Ottairi are intermarried with the Akhrases.

If you are Lebanese, don't waste my time and respond. In fact get out of here and go to LebaneseGeeks.com. If you are Syrian from outside Homs, don't want to hear your P.R. crap. If you are from Homs, lived there and visited Akhrases homes in the 50's,60's,70's and 80's, have photographs to prove that you know these people like I do, then please let me hear your comment about the Akhras family. I happened to grow up with Asma's first cousins Lena and Huda and although they were rather kind and polite at our parties and birthdays, they lived a very simple life, most of them, in fact some of them lived with homes that have little furniture or some rooms were empty.

All this talk about Asma's daddy is a Multimillionaire, well, I guess the Akhrasses did ………….. A doctor in U.K. working in nationalized profession could not accumulate this kind of wealth.

It will be in Bashar, Asma's and the Akhrases best interest if they will respond to my repeated requests to issue a Syrian Passport to me, register my family in the Syrian Records, return my 1742 Hectares of land that I was not able to take control of it since 1963 and compensate me and the family for loss of income for all those years.

 
At 7/21/2005 04:48:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

I’ve read Fisk’s book several times, its brilliant. And even he an anti-Syrian does not go as far as your friend Ibrahim.

When I say Syria "had to" I mean, they had to control it so Israel doesn't. Btw, Syria and Israel had an unwritten agreement until all hell broke loose in the early 80’s.

I loved this one “it was an international consensus headed by the United States, Saudi Arabia and France.” Are you kidding me? The US and France were FORCED to give that consensus to Syria because they could not handle the situation themselves (We should also add that Syria’s blessing to the Gulf War as a major factor). A few years earlier when they were in control and that prick Bachir Gemayel(may he R.I.P) was in power the first thing they did before quelling the violence was to sign a treaty with Israel. Gemayel was negotiating practically alone against some of the most intelligent Israelis in the world and he (on the account of Richard Murphy) gave up ridicules concessions. Did you see any of them include Syria then? Second major US blunder was to take sides in the war and my reference here is “Pity the Nation”. Of course publicly they stated that they were helping the Lebanese army crush “terrorist” groups. But I am sure we all know that the so called “Lebanese Army” at that time was all Christians and the “terrorist” groups were all Muslim.

Lebanon was a pawn in a bigger game and that’s the sad fact. But Syria did NOT actively start the war. Your divide in conquer can also be interrupted as strategic balance (in Syria's favor of course).

And misconception that everything was nice dandy and Beirut was the "Paris of the east" before the Palestinians and Syrians came in is a load of B.S. Lebanon was a steam cooker waiting to explode because of the marginalized Shi3a. The Palestinian presence only exasperated the situation faster.

 
At 7/21/2005 05:21:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a moran named Tarek in here that will waste time reading some dummy book, several times. Get a life will ya.

 
At 7/21/2005 05:31:00 PM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

So you're telling me that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the United States were FORCED to concede the Syrian presence in Lebanon?

Wake up son, it's all part of Bush's grand plan to "reform" the Middle East: Assad's reward was to rule Lebanon uncontested for 15 years (1990-2005); however part II of the Grand plan has already started in 2003 in Iraq. I should also add that Israel ALLOWED the Syrian Sukhois to bombard the Baabda presidential palace, Israel gave permission for Hafez to move ahead, he would have never dared cross the red lines if the US & Israel weren't together on this. I believe that was an American-Israeli strategic CHOICE and that they weren't FORCED in any way to do so.

Tarek, your arguments got lost in a critique of the Gemayels and of US policy in the mid eighties, and you finish your comment by stating that Lebanon was meant for civil war sooner or later, with or without Syrian or Palestinian intervention. I beg to differ, no one could have prophecized a civil war of this magnitude without an armed PLO and a Syrian regime providing weapons to several other factions (Hezbollah, Amal, Jumblat).

Thank you for pointing that our Shiite brothers were under represented in the Lebanese republic, but we could have dealt with this issue in a much better way without the agitating presence of thousands of Palestinian armed thugs who viciously played on our sensitive Christian-Muslim and relationship and abused the country.

 
At 7/21/2005 05:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At 10:34 AM, Anonymous said...
Sooner or later Lebanese will realize that they have to go back to Syria and reconsider all the anti-Syrian electorial solgans. I doubt that EU pressure will do anything in this regards, at the end of the day its Syrian land and Syrian borders
to who evever wrote this we rather die than be ruled by dumm syrians

 
At 7/21/2005 05:35:00 PM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

Anonymous @ 5.32 PM, comments like yours are as shallow as the one you are complaining about.

 
At 7/21/2005 05:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

syria think that lebanese people will bend by closing the boarder all that does create mo hate ammong lebanese fuck them and the boarder as long as they leave us
alone we have many options lebanon
should free it self from the sick arab love cyprus is peacefull

 
At 7/21/2005 05:47:00 PM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

I honestly believe that, if given a referendum, the Syrian people will not vote on any kind of coercive measure against the Lebanese people and vice versa.

You have to understand that the evil regime of Bashad Al-Assad is behind these attempts. He is probably doing so as a show of force and muscle flexing, more than an attempt to harm Lebanese economy. He's still wrong in doing so, but please differentiate between the Syrian people and the Syrian regime.

 
At 7/21/2005 09:50:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Well, I know what I am talking about. Otri and AL Abrash are relatives to Asmaa. I am a relative of the dictator, and I know.

Here is a good reply to the Otri, the "Arriviste" for those who understand French.
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من يتخيل ذكاء رئيس وزراء بشار الأسد!!!
GMT 21:15:00 2005 الخميس 21 يوليو
أحمد أبو مطر



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التصريح الذي أدلى به رئيس الوزراء السوري محمد ناجي العطري يوم الأربعاء الماضي حول سلاح حزب الله، لا يمكن لكل عطور العالم أن تغطي على رائحته الكريهة المنفّرة خاصة أن هذا التصريح يسيء إلى سورية ويظهر دولة البعث السوري بأنها دولة قائمة على الدعاية الكاذبة، وكل أكاذيبها عن التوازن الإستراتيجي مجرد ألاعيب بهلوانية للتغطية على قمعها ومصادرتها لكافة حقوق المواطن السوري طوال العقود الأربعة الماضية!!. ماذا قال محمد ناجي العطري.. قال فضّ الله فوه (أن نزع سلاح حزب الله في لبنان يهدد الأمن الوطني السوري!)... تخيلوا... دولة البعث أقوى قوة عسكرية في المنطقة كما يدّعون و يروجون تعتمد على حزب الله في لبنان لسلامة أمنها الوطني. إن هذا التصريح بقدر ماهو إدانة لدولة البعث التي لاتجيد إستخدام القوة إلا ضد شعبها، فهو أيضا إدانة لحزب الله، فهذا يؤكد أن الدعم الذي كان وما يزال الحزب يتلقاه من البعثيين، لم يكن المقصود منه تحرير جنوب لبنان بقدر ماهو إستعماله ملهاة يتلهى بها حكام البعث لتضليل الشعب السوري واللبناني، لأن دولة بحجم سورية تعتمد على هذا الحزب لتأمين أمنها الوطني دولة لا يستحق حكامها الاحترام.. وهذا التصريح رغم غبائه يكشف كيف إستغل البعثيون ومخابراتهم حزب الله وجنوب لبنان غطاءا لإستمرار إحتلالهم للبنان قبل أن تقتلعه الإنتفاضة اللبنانية، ويذكّر هذا التصريح بتعليمات الضابطة الفدائية، المخابرات السورية المسؤولة عن المنظمات الفلسطينية، عندما كانت وما زالت تعليماتها (ممنوع منعا باتا إطلاق الرصاص على إسرائيل من الحدود السورية، ومن يريد ذلك فليتوجه لجنوب لبنان).. وقد ردّ المواطن اللبناني آنذاك بنكتة قال فيها (الرئيس حافظ الأسد قرّر محاربة إسرائيل حتى آخر مواطن لبناني!).
من هنا يحق للجميع أن يعتقدوا إن رفض حزب الله نزع سلاحه وراءه الدعم البعثي لمقاصد وأهداف بعثية وليست لبنانية، لأن السؤال المنطقي والموضوعي، طالما انسحبت إسرائيل من جنوب لبنان منذ خمسة أعوام تقريبا، فلماذا حزب الله وحده من حقه الاحتفاظ بسلاحه؟؟؟. وماذا لو طالبت القوى المسيحية بأن تعيد تشكيل قواها المسلحة التي كانت ناشطة أثناء الحرب الأهلية اللبنانية، وهذا أيضا يفسر إحتفاظ عملاء البعث السوري مثل جماعتي أحمد جبريل وأبو موسى بسلاحهم فوق الأراضي اللبنانية، وهو السلاح الذي لم يطلق رصاصة على إسرائيل، ولكنه قتل آلآف الفلسطينيين في حربي المخيمات عامي 1986 و 1988... إنه استقواء بالبعث ومخابراته على حساب سيادة لبنان وكرامة اللبنانيين. وعودة للتصريح الغبي لناجي العطري، فإن الذي يحير ويكاد يوصل للجنون، هو قبول الرئيس الشاب بشار الأسد بهكذا رئيس وزراء! هل مجرد قرابة محمد ناجي العطري لحماته مبرر لبقائه في هذا المنصب، وهو بهذه الكفاءات العبقرية!!!. وكذلك كيف يقبل رئيس شاب عاش وتعلم في وسط الديمقراطية الغربية، أن يستمر مجرد واجهة لعصابات البعث واجهزة مخابراته؟؟ هل سأل الرئيس بشار نفسه: ما هو الخطر الذي يشكله المحاميان محمد رعدون و حبيب عيسى مثلا على الأمن السوري، كي يستمر حبسهما بدون مبرر؟؟. وما هو الخطر الذي تشكله نقاشات منتدى الأتاسي لتقوم مخابراته بإغلاقه؟؟. وما هو الخطر الذي يشكله الكاتب الفلسطيني سلامة كيلة كي يمنعونه من العودة إلى دمشق حيث يعيش وأسرته؟؟ أين الخطر و حزب الله يحمي الأمن الوطني للبعث الذي تشيده الجماجم والدم كما قال شاعرهم.. وكأنه كان يقصد جماجم ودم الشعب الذي أبتلي بحكمهم الديكتاتوري المستبد.. أسئلة كثيرة أطرحها على الرئيس الشاب بشار الأسد، لأن استمرار هكذا طغيان لن ينفع معه حزب الله ولا غباء تصريحات العطري ذات الرائحة غير المعطرة، وعندما تندلع إنتفاضة الشعب السوري ستوضع كل الآثام يا سيادة الرئيس في رقبتك، فلماذا لا تنتفض أنت على الظلم والطغيان والإستبداد ومصادرة الحريات، وسترى عندئذ أنك في حماية الشعب السوري، وسيكون أول الفارين رئيس وزرائك، قريب حماتك، الذي لا يشرفك ولا يشرف سورية ومكانتها بهكذا تصريحات غبية!

Ahmad64@hotmail.com

 
At 7/21/2005 10:03:00 PM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

Good article. Which newspaper is it?

 
At 7/21/2005 10:07:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Unfortunately the syrian people must shut up and are not part of the game.

Concerning Tarek's claims (again), do you now that when Syria took the Baabda palace and expelled Aoun from it by using aviation Israeli plane were also there but on a higher altitude? From 1982 to 1990, Syria's plane were not allowed above Lebanon except on this day. The day after, Lebanese sky were Israeli property again.

So please do not tell me that we should not sign a peace treaty with Israel because of solidarity.

The only person that was ever expelled from a presidential palace by military planes other than Aoun was Allende in Chili. Funny no? And in his case it was not done by a foreign country.

LF and all the other militias were never 'real' armies. They could not seriously stand against a soviet-equipped army such as Syria's. If it wasn't from international red 'lines', Syria could have occupied Lebanon in 1976. In 1990, with the collapse of its soviet mentor, Syria was weaker than ever. Israel, France or the US were never 'forced' to give up Lebanon. They did so because it was not an important country and it wasn't worth the headache. Of course, today the US have a different policy and they don't have any tolerance for trouble-maker such as Bachar (with whom you seem to have a love-hate relationship).

You should also know that the Lebanese war really started in 1969 after the Cairo agreement which was imposed on Charles Helou. And guess what? In 1969 Syria brotherly closed its border with brotherly Lebanon in order to pressure him. Syria was operating in Lebanon during all the 70's through Lebanese and Palestinian proxies such as the Saika and was supplying weapons to these groups. So do not tell me that Syria has nothing to do with the civil war.

Once again, go read some book and come back (I would recommend you Alain Menargues instead of Michel Aflak but it's your choice).

But this is not a Lebanese blog so if you stop bringing the subject, I will do the same.

 
At 7/22/2005 12:08:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to "Syria took the Baabda palace and expelled Aoun from it by using aviation Israeli plane were also there but on a higher altitude"

whats your sources on this?

 
At 7/22/2005 12:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to vox,
"They did so because it was not an important country and it wasn't worth the headache. Of course, today the US have a different policy"

What makes you think that today they have a different policy? if you think that this administration gives a shit about lebanon then you are mistaken, this is all about Iraq: distraction from the fucked up situation and pressure on Syria to do some kind of a miracle to end Iraqi resistance.

 
At 7/22/2005 01:27:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I may agree with Mohammed who wrote:
“The House of Saud is the one that brought your leader Hafez Assad to power, and with their supplies of money kept him in power for that long.”
The House of Saud indeed has to lose the most. Democracy in middle east, wherever it will be, irak, Lebanon, Syria and so on and on, cannot be in their interest.

Do anybody think, that assad and his clan wants democracy? Quite the contrary.

All this dictators are proud to have uneducated, religious and poor citizens. Their corrupt systems are working for them and their clans. Five dollar for a poor citizen is already enough to buy his faith.

Is there any progress in Syria? What did he do for his folk in the past? Anyways he got a good income for his work. Ask him till you get an answer. Further ask yourself what you will tell your children. Isnt their future more than black? Its your responsibility. Further ask your fathers, why they did nothing.

An intelligent brain is better than a dirty big mouth. And by the way, we are discussing here about syria and no way about the american language. If you want a better place to live, you should begin soon, bush will not occupy syria, for sure you have to help yourself.
The greatest freedom on earth you can find in USA and all of you know that.

Aphrodite (human)

 
At 7/22/2005 01:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To aphrodite,
lets say that the greatest freedom on earth is in the states, what does that have to with Syria and middle east? nobody is debating american internal systems and policies..its american middle eastern policies that is destructing this part of the world in the name of democracy, wmd, etc.
america (saudi, pakistan) creates, trains and supports AlQaida and then when it backfires, its our fault!!!

 
At 7/22/2005 01:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to Mohammed for this information:

“This "Akhras" family of which Otri is a member had sold their daughter (Asmaa) to the son of a dictator, who is the actual dictator to get themselves the advantages they are getting. Otri became the Prime Minister, Abrash (Another of the Akhras family) became the speaker of the house, and her father, an ordinary syrian doctor who was naturalized British got himself a position as the president of the British-Syrian Friendship Association, and their commerical contracts are pretty amazing for a family that was obscure before this marriage. The Akhras family (The Mute Family) should behave as their name indicates, just be mute and let business grow.”

I am wondering, how Syrians can accept those facts. Where are the media and intellectuals to protest? What syrian folk needs is a little bit of western spirit or american spirit.

And for all Syrians to know: Queen Asma now is nominated for “Peace Nobel Price”. No joke.

So don’t worry, Syria will go the way of african nations with strong islamistic society. Then they will not suffer from american movies and loud music and a bad language. The world will forget them. And God Father is wondering: “I gave them many chances, but…………..”

Aphrodite (a free spirit)

 
At 7/22/2005 02:04:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to mohamad,
"Otri and AL Abrash are relatives to Asmaa. I am a relative of the dictator, and I know."

the only opposed relatives are Rifaat and his gangsters, looks like you are one of them.
Like it or not, bashar is way better than your alternative and lots of people beleive in him including me.
I do expect a stupid aggressive reply from you accusing me of being "baathist" "assadists" or whatever but if your really beleive in freedom as you claim then you should accept the fact that bashar has supporters who are neither.

 
At 7/22/2005 02:13:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you stupid morans, Otri and abrash are not relatives of the akhras family. Otri has been appointed in executive chairs since hafez times. as for the so called contracts of the akhras family, please give us some examples of them

 
At 7/22/2005 03:16:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

To Vox

Can you please read the title of this blog?.....LEBANON. so we can bring it up. Just cause it’s a dirty "Syrian" blog does not mean we can’t discuss Masai in Kenya or the tea in China. But anyways I know I wont be able to change your mind and you wont change mine which is cool.

But can you remind me how did your beloved 3oun reach Baabda? Was he democratically elected? No. I respect 3oun for two things, one is he never wavered in his anti-Syrian view unlike Hobeika and other monkeys. Second, because when he was in power he proved is nationalism by fighting off Christian militias first and not Muslim. But let the truth be told the man is a political buffoon. Damascus did not give up with the whole western world against it. It had paid too much to stop now, and after 15 years of war a small fart like 3oun is standing in her way, give me a f%$king break. It was like the show "Survivor" he was voted out the island cause he couldn’t deal with the reality on the ground.

Aphrodite - Plz stay in your beloved America.

 
At 7/22/2005 03:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Relatives or not, who has a chair in the system, who is rich in syria has been corrupt in the past. They deserve to be jailed. But whose guilt is it, who gave them chances to steal? A destructive society.
You believe in Arabism. That is what they taught you. What is the truth? All the chair owners travel with western passports, have their western bank accounts, their castles and cars and beautiful girls. The folk is watching Emirs Al Jazeera, believing that their problems comes from west, from America, that the violence in Irak has it source in the American occupation.
Just look around here in the blog. Commentaries shows what is going on in middle east. The poor Lebanese and Syrians….why are they fighting here? You should be united, show the chair holders who is the folk! They have to serve the nation, the nations wealth!

But, true is also, the half of Syrians are women, oppressed women. More than fifty percent of the other half are children under age. And the rest knows what is going on in the world? From where are their informations?

Hopeless. And you are right to say, King Leo II is the best Syria has and will have in the future.

Aphrodite (never oppressed)

 
At 7/22/2005 03:59:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to aphrodite,
I can only ask josh to put an age disclaimer before accessing this blog. 18 and above!

 
At 7/22/2005 04:07:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Mohammed

Is it true, that a billionaire living in London would sell his daughter like a cow? And is it true what people tell, that this daughter is western educated, had a place to study at havard university in usa accepted this deal?

What an liberated woman!
And now the actors are playing the love game?

An oriental story wow!

Liberty and Love for Syria!

Aphrodite

 
At 7/22/2005 04:24:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At 3:59 AM, Anonymous said...
to aphrodite,
I can only ask josh to put an age disclaimer before accessing this blog. 18 and above!

Dear Anonymous,

did you already notice, that this is an american blog? Who are you that you ask Professor Landis to cancel me?
Since when can under aged people not say what they think?
What would you say in comparioson to me how old you are?

You should open your mouth only to pray for a better world.
May you please tell me,how can a young guy like you from developed country syria own a computer?

Aphrodite

 
At 7/22/2005 06:21:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to ibrahim,
"I honestly believe that, if given a referendum, the Syrian people will not vote on any kind of coercive measure against the Lebanese people and vice versa."

I wouldnt be so sure about that if i were you

 
At 7/22/2005 06:29:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

To respond to mutliple claims:

I
concerning Israeli plane flying over baabda on the 13/10/1990, I've read several testimonies on this (among other Daniel Rondeau, "chronique du liban rebelle") but I couldn't find any on the internet. Anyway, on this day, the syrian were allowed to use their aviation for one raid (less than half an hour). It's all they got from zionisto-us ally on this day.

II
Aoun is a nice guy, but a politcal clown, I give you that.

III congratulations to Josh, judging by the number of comments his blog is now more popular than Karfan's (isn't that something?)

 
At 7/22/2005 07:01:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
July 15, 2005

CAPTIVE NATIONS WEEK, 2005

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A PROCLAMATION

America stands for freedom and supports those who are oppressed. During Captive Nations Week, we reaffirm our commitment to advancing democracy, defending liberty, and protecting human rights around the world.

When President Eisenhower issued the first Captive Nations Week proclamation in 1959, freedom was being denied by communist regimes in Europe, Asia, and Latin America. Millions were deprived of their rights to freely practice religion, assemble in public, and exercise freedom of speech. The Cold War and the captivity of millions of people in Central and Eastern Europe have since ended, and we have witnessed the rise of democratic governments in countries across the globe.

Building a free and peaceful world is the work of generations, and this work continues. America believes that freedom is God's gift to each man and woman in this world and that spreading freedom's blessings is the calling of our time. We are continuing to work to help spread liberty and democracy to people who have known fear and oppression. The gains in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine, and Georgia have been achieved through the courage, determination, and sacrifice of millions of men and women in those countries, with the assistance of the United States and other allies.

As a Nation forged from the ideals of freedom, justice, and human dignity, we will continue speaking out on behalf of oppressed people. We will support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation. This young century will be liberty's century, and during Captive Nations Week, we pledge to advance the cause of liberty for all people.

The Congress, by Joint Resolution approved July 17, 1959 (73 Stat. 212), has authorized and requested the President to issue a proclamation designating the third week in July of each year as "Captive Nations Week."

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim July 17 through July 23, 2005, as Captive Nations Week. I call upon the people of the United States to observe this week with appropriate ceremonies and activities and to reaffirm their commitment to all those seeking liberty, justice, and self-determination.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fifteenth day of July, in the year of our Lord two thousand five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirtieth.

GEORGE W. BUSH

 
At 7/22/2005 07:26:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Tarek tells Aphrodite to get out of this blog and to "stay in your beloved america".

Isn't he staying in her beloved america and by his admittance, sending a lot of money monthly from America to his not so beloved Syria for the past 25 years?

Also, the coward anonymous voices defy me as to what I mentioned that Abrash and Otri are relatives to Asmaa, the queen of prison tortures. I inserted to you an article by "Ahmad Abou Matar", and though he is answering Otri, he is addressing Bashar, and asking him whether the only qualifications of Otri are that he is related to Asmaa's mother (twice in the article). Go straighten your facts. I know they are related. I am a relative of the not so Western educated and not so young any more, the dictator of Syria. The guy spent 1 year, 7 month in England all expenses paid, and those amazing people call him Wetsern educated when he spent his time getting to know another Syrian whose family could not live in Syria as most Syrians wish to do, and immigrated to Britain. I know many Arabs who spent years in the West and finished their education there, worked there, and could not appreciate what the West is. This guy, in one year and seven months, had no need to work or do anything beside pursuing his purpose of being there is described as Western Educated. This is crazy.

Even Asmaa who lived most of her life in England doesn't portray to me that she is really Western from her answers about prisonners to the New York Times, and seems to be totally absorbed by the position and power of her "young" oppressor, for how can she compare the prisonners in Guantenamo who first of all are not Americans, secondly were caught fighting in Afghanistan and belong to the Dark ages, moslems who have a sick ideology of hatred, ---- with Ryad Seif, Prof Aref Dalilah (The great Economist - Sentenced for 10 years for his opinion against corruption), Dr. Abd Al Aziz Kheir (who was sentenced for 20 years (1992)in prison for writing a book about the corruption of the Assads and who is still in prison in the most savage conditions, and thousands upon thousands of very highly educated people who were "terminated" because of their opinion and no other reason? When she says something like that, it is evident that she returned in her mind and soul to her heritage in not caring about other human beings and that it is her own husband who is torturing and imprisonning these greatest Syrians. Let us see how he and his relatives who prior to 1970 had not even furnitures in their very poor homes are now, each one of them, a billionaire? I know them and I know their history because I am from Kurdaha as is the great Dr. Abd Al Aziz Kheir.

Mohammed (the factual)

 
At 7/22/2005 10:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to mohamad the courageous allawi liberator of all times, (i hope that satisfied your ego)

I don’t really give a shit about otri or the akhras family but twisting and faking facts here just to get even (obviously you have a personal problem with the regime) isn’t acceptable. Otri is from Aleppo, Akhras are from Homs so its a Halabiya and Hamasneh (to make it easier for you).

Bashar released most of the political prisoners and even shut down adra prison.
He is slow, and his gradual plans to develop and democratize the country are sometimes disappointing but he is not a dictator and I believe that he is Syria's only hope to develop into a democracy. If you can put your personal agenda away for a moment and think of him as a transitional period from absolute dictatorship (hafez era) to democracy.

 
At 7/22/2005 10:58:00 AM, Anonymous Tarek said...

Glad to see someone else sharing my point of view.

Hey what happend to Josh? havent seen a new blog in 4 days. even though its never been so busy b4.

anyways here are two interesting articles.

http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=tnBusinessNews&storyID=nL22340400&imageid=&cap=

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-07-21T211249Z_01_N21380792_RTRIDST_0_INTERNATIONAL-SYRIA-IRAQ-USA-DC.XML

 
At 7/22/2005 11:12:00 AM, Anonymous Ibrahim said...

Anonymous said...
to ibrahim,
"I honestly believe that, if given a referendum, the Syrian people will not vote on any kind of coercive measure against the Lebanese people and vice versa."

I wouldnt be so sure about that if i were you

6:21 AM

The day the Syrians are given a free referendum, there will not be a need for hatred between them and the Lebanese. Hatred is stemming out of the oppression and injustice inflicted by the current Syrian regime on both Syrian and Lebanese people.

 
At 7/22/2005 11:40:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

You, agents of this wild and criminal regime that has lasted since 1970 with all of its savagery can not respond to my facts, but instead always reply to me with your habitual answers (Because most of you who support Assad are the less educated or perhaps cultivated Alawis, though some of you were accepted in medicine or other good university majors, or sent abroad to study at the Syrian people's expense because you belong to the minority Allawi of which I am a member) can not answer me without expressing your lack of decency, or perhaps, because your culture is still that of your low esteemed parents (the ones who complained about Sunni persecutions and who were Sunni servants and now think they can revenge and they have made their revenge clear throughout 35 years of this retarded regime's crimes, you reply to me with mouths spitting dirty insults that never end, thinking that by spinning the subjects and making it a personal issue that this can take away the facts and the logic of your opponent..

Those who still insult me because I said that Otri is related to Asmaa (and I have pasted an article by a Ahmad Abou Mattter that says the same), I say to you he is related and check your facts, but this is not the subject and it is not important as Aphrodites said, so shove it.

For 12 years after the first Gulf war of 1991, Saddam Hussein defied the world, and impoverished his people by defying the Sanctions instead of leaving his office for the benefit of his people's sufferance, and he persisted at celebrating his birthdays in the most primitive, but very expensive way, and continued to build the most extravagant palaces, smiling to the camera, and thinking that he (SADDAM HUSSEIN, the great) would outlast the US and the world, and that he would pass Iraq to his children and grand children, only to have the might of the great US smash him and his dreams, released prisonners at the end of his regime when he realized that was seriousness in the issue, but the prisonners he released were not the prisonners of conscience, nor the political ones, Bashar Assad, the junior dictator released few prisonners (most belonged to the Ikhwan brotherhood, though his father massacred thousands of them without due process, using helicopters against hopeless and defenseless prisonners in Tadmur, Bashar returned to jail many more, and among whom the ones the honourable 10 of what was called Damascus Spring, of whom I have mentioned Prof. Aref Dalilah, and the business man Ryad Seif who also was a member of the so called parliamnet. Bashar also imprisonned those who accessed Internet Sites that belonged to some oppositions and I know one of those names, Mr. Abd Al Rahman Al Shagouri who has been in prison since Feb 2003 because he accessed blocked sites. Remember it was the desire of this small thief, Basghar Assad to make himself known at the begining and before he took inheritance of his office that he was the Internet man, a technological genius and a lover of the Internet. What happened to the Internet in Syria? What happened to his other slogan for which an ex prime minster servant to the regime was scarificed and forced to commit suicide with (three) (3) Bullets in his head as he was so mad that the first bullet didn't damage him much so he emptied two other bullets to make sure he was dead? Fighting corruption should start with himself as he should ask himself where did all of what he and his family own come from?

So, babies, I know why you defend the indefensible, I know the beneficiaries among Alawis because I am one, and I know you so well.

Mohammed (The Justice man).

 
At 7/22/2005 11:43:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its morons like Tarek and that other anon moron, both on Mossad/CIA and state Dept Payrol, that wants to keep Syrians under the most brutal and evil of conditions for another 40 years. Dream on, not only we are going to cut your diabolic and evil wish you human scum taht are lower than dirt very short. But we are gonna chase the asses of subhuman criminals like you and bring you all to face charges of aiding and abeting of criminal organization and beeing an accessory to a crime against humanity and crimes against the people of Syria. You both will be facing the death penalty by the tribunal. I can see why you want this regime to last and last. Bad news for ya, It aint gonna happen.

 
At 7/22/2005 11:45:00 AM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

We are keeping close watch on this Tarek and keeping copies of his comments. They will be usefull one day.

 
At 7/22/2005 11:50:00 AM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

I wish the blogg site allows us an opportunity to correct typos and unclear sentences, like for 5 minutes following the posting.

Above I was saying that I know the beneficiaries among Alawis because I am one Allawi, and I know you so well.

 
At 7/22/2005 12:04:00 PM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

This Alawaites is not only good thinker, but excellent writer and fine debater. He is good, why are you bastards admit it.

 
At 7/22/2005 12:10:00 PM, Anonymous Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe said...

Agree, got to keep an eye on him. Send us an email to the unsecured emails and will afterward establish a secure one for you.

I think he is with Ghadry's Syrian Reform party. What ever going on there anayway. Learned a lesson about working with American and israeli others learned it before few decades earlier?

 
At 7/22/2005 12:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeahhhhhhhh, Tarek is about the finest CIA Ana-ist you can get. Sepecially, after that bitch that fucked everyone in Syria got fired.

 
At 7/22/2005 12:58:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Metaz:

You can not box me in a box and say this man is a Ghadri's follower, or some body else's! I wonder how you came to that conclusion.

I am not against Ghadri, and I understand where he is right and where is is wrong. I have not had the opportunity to belong to any one, nor will I ever follow any one. But for your information, I agree with getting the US on the side of the Syrian people. The US, in my humble opinion is, at heart, a force for good and for the well being of humanity. I don't think there was any other country as great and as Just as the US throughout the history of mankind. It committed errors, crimes (yes), but it gave much more good to the world and to humankind than any thing else that existed in human history. The US can be a destructive force as well as a constructive force. It destroyed two cities in Japan with nuclear bombs, but it was also the US that helped and allwoed Japan to come back, not as the ashes it was left with, but as the great nation it is now. When Arabs win a war or anything really against an opponent, they want to destroy that opponent with all of their power and hart (if they have hearts.) while the US rebuilds the conquered, and offer them a way to progress and compete with itself. I know some of you might object to this , and might want to remind me of the US policies toward Palestine, and Israel, etc... I just want to say to you: Be thankful that you have dealt with the US and not with any other power on Earth. Just imagine Arabs having the same power over their opponents. Just watch the Arabs who have the chance to have employees working for them , and see how much they abuse them and deny them rights in every regard. Now, the US is back to a friendly, cooperative and helpful ways with its opponent, Communist Vietnam.

Being impressed and in love with America (As you should be , Tarek, since you chose to get rich in it, and send all of that money back home as you said), being that impressed with the US does not give you the automatic right, Metaz to classify me as Ghadri's associate or follower. I really have no affiliations except my adherence to idealistic principle for Justice and progress every where.

Mohammed (The independent man).

 
At 7/22/2005 02:10:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to whoever wrote:
"Its morons like Tarek and that other anon moron, both on Mossad/CIA and state Dept Payrol"

I can say go fuck yourself and go join ghadris team of loosers and morons.

 
At 7/22/2005 02:12:00 PM, Anonymous Metaz K.M. Aldendshe said...

I said I "think" was waiting for your confirmation. Don't gt edgy with me.

Agree about your America Talk, you should be writting speeches for Bush. Kind of getting tired with his hot air speeches written from the same formletter that was writen to him 8 years ago.

I did not notice much changes to US policy except a bit more sensitivity toward oppositions of all type. No commitment whatsoever. Backdoor deals with dictators still going on.

Nevertheless. We appreciate America and President Bush anyway, we will do the work ourself syrians on our own with total disragrd to US, Europe, Arab or Islamic countries, people and rulling thigs interests.

Who are you, don't care if you belong to this or that, just think you are good Syrian, that is all taht matter to me.

 
At 7/22/2005 02:15:00 PM, Anonymous Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe said...

They should have an editing means on this blogs. maybe taht is why blogs are written in such bad way. It is not that bloggers are rude.

 
At 7/22/2005 02:20:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to mohamad,

why cant you live with the fact that bashar has supporters? and that the majority of Syrian people oppose american policies in our region.
I can remind you of the incident of Oxygen Rest. in Damascus where an American diplomat was asked to leave by the res. owner (who is not allawi)
You can go on and on with your long boring articles repeating the same dictator, assadists, baathists accusations and ofcourse applause your beloved americans but that wont change the facts on the ground.

 
At 7/22/2005 02:36:00 PM, Blogger Nafdik said...

Mohammad,

Admiring America is one thing, and wanting America to help us is something else.

1) American leaders are paid to serve American interest. If they think a dictator is in their interest they will keep him.

2) American politicians act in irrational ways to gain votes

3) The infuence of the Jewish lobby is so great that America will always put Israel interests first. If Assad can provide Israel with better terms than a democratic givernment, do not be surprised that he will be supported by America.

Do not forget that the US supported in the past the Saudi regime, Pinochet, Saddam, and even Ousama, when it was in its interest.

 
At 7/22/2005 02:54:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

Anonymous said this: "I can remind you of the incident of Oxygen Rest. in Damascus where an American diplomat was asked to leave by the res. owner (who is not allawi)
".

I know.

We know.

She is the owner of the restaurant, and she is Sunni. A regular woman, except that her relations with the Generals in the Mukhabarat are well known. though she is married, she has intimate intimate relatiosnhip with one junior general (Ameed) in Damascus ( I am not naming any one to protect their privacy). We all know that a restaurant owner in Damascus can never take such a step without the prior planning and approval from the Syrian Mukhabarat. This media game the Syrian TV played, or the world stage did not trick any Syrian (except you perhaps), and we know that it was done on purpose to be propagated across the oceans to give the US the illusion that Syrians look at it with such an attitude. I was in Syria, and I spoke to tens of people across the spectrum, and I was able to feel their eagerness for an American assault on the Assad leadership. People were expecting much more. The US committed grave errors in its war in Iraq, because people were ready to welcome it in both Syria and Iraq, but with so little troops, it allowed for the survival of the bad apples and one thing leading to another, it committed more errors. I was expecting a much better planning of the US in conducting that liberation war. Giving those insurgents who are supported by Iran and Syria that window of opportunity to survive was a grave error. Syrians were disappointed with what followed, and they dearly wanted the US to help liberating them as well (but not at the Iraqi style that took place).

Mohmmed (The memoriser).

 
At 7/22/2005 03:15:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

To Nafdik:

I understand your point.
Try to understand the American point of view, and put yourself in its shoes, what would you do?

America is not supporting dictators in countried such as France, Germany, Malysia, Singapore, and so on... Why is it only willing and capable to support dictatorial regimes particularly in Islamic and Arab lands? Jewish influence? I don't agree, though they may have some influence, but it is not totaly a Jewish thing. ( I hate it when we have to classify people by their background that they did not choose such as being Jewish, but I will go along with this for now). President Bush admitted that the US was supporting the bad guys in the Islamic world for reasons to do with the cold war, and that that policy by itself created giants out of this evil doctrine that the Saudis have exported to all the Muslim world. That doctrine was useful to America during the cold war to fight the Left (Which was and still is secular). Presidenty George W. Bush, unlike even his father has realized that the US had created Frenkenstein and that it should change course. I agreed in my previous post that the US committed errors and crimes, but added that it also created good and gave the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve the evolution that God, the almighty had created them for.

Let's face it my friend; our, your problem is not really Israel. It is oppression, and inequality. For I know that the first Palestinian Intifada for example (Which was peaceful, and unarmed) obliged Israel to bring the PLO, and brought Arafat from tuinisia to govern the sons and daughters of that Intifada. Instead of seeing brotherly love between these two sections of the Palestinain population, the ones that sacrificed its children in a peaceful revolution that won the hearts of humanity across the world, and the terrorist thieves of the PLO who stole Lebanon, and Yemen, and became richer than you can ever dream of, instead of that brotherly love, we saw how the thugs, members of the PLO who are also Palestinians took advantage of their brothers and acted as if they were much supperior to them, getting the most expensive cars in a poverty stricken place, and stealing the billions that were poured into their territories. Tell me now, if you were a struggling West Bank citizen, would you consider joining Israel against those thugs? That is why you have so many Palestinain Spies working for Israel in the Territories, and I must add that Arafat did not give the Arabs nor the Palestinians the status of Mandela. Madela was a man of honour. He took South Africa, black and whites, did not call for revenge, lived a simple life among his people, and did not renew his elected position. He simply gave way to others unlike any Arab leader in modern ior even past history.

So, before you look at outsiders to point your blaming finger, look within, and you might find reasons as to why the world despises the Arabs, and treats them so badly.

Thank you very much for giving the opportunity to say the above.

Mohammed (the fair man).

 
At 7/22/2005 05:20:00 PM, Blogger Nafdik said...

Mohammad,

I am not putting the blame at outsiders, far from it. The Americans is doing what any nation would do, protect its interests. If they used us it is because we allowed ourselves to be governed by a Mafia that has no regard for our well being.

However I will not pin my hopes on outsiders either. The struggle for liberation can use outside influence to its advantage if they hapen to be useful, these outsiders can include Europe, China, Turkey, Iran Arab neighbours, Soviet Union, etc. Basically any force that happens to share your interest at the time. But we can not just sit down and hope somebody will save us.

The US is a great nation and it is probably useful for a short period to help the liberation forces in Syria, but do not count on it on the long term. IMHO The Assadist will do a deal with the US as they have in the past and the Iraq results will show the US that a democratic Arabic country is much less predicatble than one governed by a dictator.

 
At 7/22/2005 05:22:00 PM, Blogger Nafdik said...

nafdik said...

" these outsiders can include Europe, China, Turkey, Iran Arab neighbours,

>>>> Soviet Union, etc."

Obviously I am still living in the past :)

 
At 7/22/2005 05:42:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

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At 7/22/2005 05:47:00 PM, Anonymous Interesting info - vox populi said...

I have some really interesting info, but it's only a rumor. A friend of mine, who's uncle is an FSI general (amn el dakhli) told me that Kanaan is facing some pressure in damascus to retire. This general says that Bachar is trying to put him out. Other old guard members are already out of the game such as Tlass, Khaddam, Bahjat Suleiman and Hikmat Shihabi. Kanaan is the last guy from the so-called old guard. If this info is true this means that Bachar will have seized total power and he won't be able to claim his old guard myth anymore. Everybody will see that he's in control and he's a hardliner. My personal opinion is that he's already the one in control with plausible deniability because most of the important positions are occupied by his friends/family (like maher assad or assef shawkat).

When Kanaan was removed from Lebanon, he was sent to remote and dull area in Kurdistan which was widely interpreted as a major setback for him. He managed to get back but his end may be coming soon.

Anyway, it's just rumors for now.

 
At 7/22/2005 05:51:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

...and a new bomb in monnot street, a turistical spot in Beirut. A zionist or brotherly move? only time will tell.

 
At 7/22/2005 05:58:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

PLEASE MY FELLOW YOUNG ARAB MINDS,
NOTE ONE IMPORTANT THING: WE ARE DANCING ON A THIN ICE...WE CANNOT
TALK OF A CURE WHEN WE DON'T AGREE
ON THE SYMPTOMS.
OUR SOCITIES STILL LIVE IN AN OTTOMAN FUDAL SYSTEM,WHEN WE WANT TO LIBERLIZE A BUNCH OF MAFIOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES "GOVERNMENT"S
AND GIVEN A SEAT IN UNITED NATIONS COMISSOIN FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.WHAT A JOKE. EITHER THE DEMOCARTS OF THE
WORLD ARE DRUNKEN OR I'M STUPID..

 
At 7/22/2005 08:10:00 PM, Blogger Nafdik said...

In praise of the Olde guard

The whole idea that the old guard is better than new guard is baseless.

1) The old guard has operated better and did not commit blunders such as the killing of Hariri

2) The old guard did beleive in something when they were young while the new guard just beleives in money

3) The old guard has experience

4) The old guard is courageous as it faced many dangers before it got where it is

5) The old guard reached its position because of personal worth the new guard inherited its role

6) The old guard lived its youth with the Syrian poor and middle class, the new guard lived in chateaux and spent its time driving expensive cars and eating sanwitches in abou remmane

So expect a bunch of incompetent, spoilt, greedy, fils-a-papa, cowards that have no knowledge of the real Syria to rule us for a few more generations unless we do soemthing about it.

PS Having said that the old and new guard are equally thuggish thieves, and the day the stop being that they would be removed from power

 
At 7/22/2005 08:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are a fucking stupid, what is wrong with feudal systems,they work well. Look at Bashar feudal system and all the other Arabs, they last for decades and not even the whole world including George Bush can kick them out.

Go fuck yourself and get a meneal job, you don't belong in politics, because politics in itself is a feudal system. MORON.

 
At 7/22/2005 08:33:00 PM, Anonymous Syrian Republican Party said...

Mohammad you are good, and you are doing good job fending off all those subhuman politician wannabe fuckers. Donno how you can maintain civiliy so well. So many bastards on this platform, wish they have name we can trace and add to the wanted criminals list.

 
At 7/22/2005 09:05:00 PM, Anonymous Tarek said...

its 4:30 am. i am so drunk i dont even know how i am actually capable of typing. anyways, plz understand i am not a bathist or a anti american. i am just a moderate who disagree with ppl for the sake of disagreeing. just to hope some of you might see that there is another point out there and its not one paid by the government or oppositiont parties. im gonna go pass out now.goodnight

 
At 7/22/2005 09:14:00 PM, Anonymous Mohammed said...

REF: At 8:33 PM, Syrian Republican Party


My sincere thanks.

Mohammed

 
At 7/23/2005 12:49:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to mohamad,

You are a good writer, I will give you that but you are one hell of a liar also: all you information sources are:
"I know because I'm his relative", " I know because I'm from Qurdaha", " I know because I'm allawi" " I know because I was in Damascus"
Your best information source untill now was an article by Ahmad Mattar!!
The Syrian mood is anti-american, I defy you to prove otherwise (except that you know)

 
At 7/23/2005 12:55:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

to SRP dandeshe,
If I were you, I wouldnt hesitate to ask Mohamad to join your dangerous SRP. You two would make a good team: Dandeshe makes the energy and mohamad takes care of the marketing campaign.

 
At 7/23/2005 07:29:00 AM, Anonymous Stop ur pitiful denial said...

I read this on the dailystar, it's the owner of a restaurant near AUB. The restaurant is completely out of fasion now but the story is funny.

"Once we were at Uncle Sam's when an army convoy pulled up outside," Nabil Majdalani chuckles as he reassembles the scene. "The officer came in and said everybody had to leave. 'There's a 200-kilogram bomb outside,'" he said. "All the guests decided to stay at the bar because they all lived a couple of blocks away. If this bomb was to blow they'd die either way. So we stayed at Uncle Sam's playing darts and having drinks. Nobody died."


"Ras Beirut, AUB and that area used to be Beirut - between Hamra Street, Jeanne d'Arc, Bliss Street, the Central Bank and the universities. During the war things changed." he smiles. "Uncle Sam's worked tremendously. We had three hold-ups," he laughs. "It was fantastic.

"We never paid for militia protection," he says, "but there was the neighbourhood hizb - the SSNP. They were just before Cinema Strand. From the Strand and up it was Hizbullah. On the other side was the PSP."

He laughs again, recalling a robbery at Uncle Sam's. "One of our customers was passing by. He went directly to the gendarmerie. Meanwhile we'd told one of our cooks run to the SSNP.

"So the hizb came. The police came. The police shot at the hizb. The burglars threw grenades and left. It was crazy. The police came in and arrested all the guests." He laughs. "The only people who didn't get mugged were the burglars themselves."

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=1&article_id=17006

 
At 7/23/2005 08:27:00 AM, Anonymous Ja'Jaa said...

Request to Dendashe:

Do you know what Asma Assad's mother name is?

The best I could find on the net is a so called DOSSIER of Asma Assad from Middle East Intelligence Bureau Web Site MEIB. This is funny, because an Intelligence Dossier says nothing about her mother.

http://www.meib.org/articles/0106_sd1.htm

Is she a Otri? Related to Otri, Abrash? Where is the Intelligence Service?

I say in such a case, the best we can rely on is Mohammed's word. He knows, and there is no web site to deny or support his claim about Otri and Asma's mother. I tend to believe this man. He seems to be fair and unbiased.


Anyway, whether Otri is or is not related to Assad, he is still an opportunist, and corrupt as every "Responsible" or really irresponsible man in the Syrian regime.

Ja'Jaa

 
At 7/23/2005 08:32:00 AM, Anonymous Aphrodite said...

Please accept my condolences for the deaths and injuries of Egyptians and foreign visitors who were attacked in the new set of bombings at Sharm el Sheikh. I regret their suffering and that of their families and friends.


I am so sorry to hear about the terrorist bombings in Sharm el-Sheik. I know Egyptians are proud of this place, and I recall that our presidents have visited there on important occasions.

I am so sad for Iraqis, for Egyptians today, and for the British--and many before, the Balinese, the Turks, the children of Beslan, the Russians in the theatre, those of 9/11, and on and on.

Is this the world we have to live in ? Our president thinks freedom and democracy is the answer. But is it?

Aphrodite





This is Egypt you dogs of hell

Terror hit the nerve of Egypt's tourism. The Sharm El Sheikh resort is literally the epicenter of the tourism industry. One of Egypt's most beautiful spots. The terrorists knew where to hit. They knew where it will hurt. Up till now we know that 4 car bombs killed 43 people. The explosions were in different places across the resort.

The attacks were very well organized and very sophisticated. We truly entered world war 3.

I have been to Sharm countless times. As I was hearing the eyewitness reports, I could feel I was standing right there. The attacks are very serious and deadly to Egypt.

I just remembered the headline of an article written by Sayed El Qimni (who stopped writing after receiving threats) right after the Taba bombings last year. The headline read: This is Egypt you dogs of hell.

May God save us and have mercy on those who perished.

Update: News reports say 49 dead and 7 car bombs.

Update: The front side of a hotel was completely destroyed. Bodies were all over the place. The dead included Egyptians, Britons, French, Spaniards, Dutch, Qataris, Kuwaitis. You can almost find any nationality in Sharm.

Update: 85 people killed. I called someone I know who owns a shop in the Sharm market. He was in Cairo on his way to Sharm when his bus was ordered to return back to Cairo. He told me that he plans to shut down his shop in Sharm and return back to his hometown of Luxor. "Tourism is over in Sharm" he told me.
A friend of mine called me and told me that one of his friends was sitting in a cafe 50 meters away from one of the explosions. He told him that he saw pieces of body parts all over the place and burned bodies that looked like charcoale.

Update: Police say that 2 cars and a possible suitcase full of explosive might be behind the attacks. Most of the dead are Egyptians.

 
At 7/23/2005 09:16:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sank you very much for your invormation.

 
At 7/23/2005 09:18:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously, this is a subject about lebanon. May be tomorrow, Josh will post about this new thing. Islam seems on its way to destruction.

 
At 7/26/2005 06:24:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know why The European Union i rushing to make partnership
deal with Syria,while US accusing it and trying to isolate it??
perhaps conflict of interests,or bad cop-good cop game?? or may be Syrians afterall are imuned to changes:::Does anyone know??

 

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