Saturday, October 15, 2005

"No Deal in the Qadhafi Way," Says Syria

Ibrahim Hamidi in today's al-Hayat (15 Oct. 05) writes in an article entitled, "Damascus Denies any Deal with the US along "Qadhafi" lines, but Offers to Resume Intelligence Cooperation with Washington."

Egypt's intelligence chief, General `Amr Sulayman, secretly visited Damascus recently to try to arrange the resumption of intelligence exchanges between Syria and the US. America has not responded. This is because Syria is demanding that such exchanges take place in an "atmosphere of mutual trust." America must stop its media campaign against Syria and recognize openly that Syria is assisting it in Iraq an elsewhere.

High Syrian sources deny that Syria is contemplating a "Qadhafi-type" deal. "If they had wanted to, they could have signed such a deal two years ago," a high ranking official said. "Syria will not abandon its principles."

The Syrian government denies that Syria is implicated in the Hariri murder and says it does not fear its results. The implication is that Syria as not guilty as Libya was and will not go down Qadhafi's road.

The stand-off continues for now. Bolton's leak to journalists in London yesterday that Syria was being offered a "Qadhafi" deal could only have been meant to scuttle any understanding between the two countries. If Bolton were interested in the success of such a deal, rather than regime-change, he would have at the very least called it a Sadat deal. You have to love Bolton, America's WMD. Who is making American policy anyway? Poor Condaleezza Rice.

دمشق تنفي أي «صفقة» مع الولايات المتحدة على الطريقة الليبية
وتعرض التعاون الامني مع واشنطن

دمشق - ابراهيم حميدي الحياة - 15/10/05//
قال السفير السوري في واشنطن عماد مصطفى في اتصال هاتفي اجرته «الحياة» ان «الامور ليست مغلقة مئة في المئة» بين بلاده والولايات المتحدة، اذ يجري «انخراط» بينه وبين كتلة مهمة في الكونغرس الاميركي. واشارت مصادر سورية رفيعة الى ان دمشق «اقترحت استئناف التعاون الامني في الاتجاهين في اطار سياسي وجو من الثقة، بعد وقف الحملات الاعلامية ضد سورية»، قبل ان تشير الى ان «الحملات التصعيدية والمطالب الاميركية لا تزال قائمة».
الى ذلك، ابلغ مصدر غربي «الحياة» ان «مسؤولاً اميركياً رفيع المستوى، قال لعدد من الصحافيين امس في لندن، ان واشنطن بعثت برسالة الى دمشق تتضمن اشارات للاستعداد لعقد صفقة مشابهة للصفقة الليبية (التي تخلى العقيد معمر القذافي بموجبها عن برنامج اسلحة الدمار الشامل)، بحيث تقوم سورية بخطوات كبيرة تتضمن وقف التمرد في العراق ودعم العملية السياسية، وطرد قادة المنظمات الفلسطينية من دمشق، وتلعب دورا ايجابيا في لبنان وتتخلى عن اسلحة الدمار الشامل، في مقابل استئناف العلاقات الديبلوماسية الكاملة وتطبيع العلاقات» بين البلدين، علماً أن ادارة الرئيس جورج بوش سحبت السفيرة مارغريت سكوبي بعد يومين على اغتيال الحريري.
لكن مصادر سورية رفيعة المستوى نفت لـ «الحياة» وجود «أي صفقة» مع واشنطن، وقالت ان «الحديث عن صفقات يستهدف التشويش على الموقف السوري وللايحاء باننا مستعدون لعقد صفقات تتناقض مع مبادئنا». وقالت: «لو اردنا عقد صفقة كهذه، لكانت حصلت قبل سنوات. والكلام عن صفقة عار عن الصحة». كما ان الناطق باسم وزارة الخارجية الاميركية آدم ايرلي نفى قبل يومين «أي صفقة» مع سورية.
لكن المصادر السورية اكدت معلومات عن ان مدير الاستخبارات المصرية اللواء عمر سليمان الذي كان زار دمشق علناً قبل الانسحاب من لبنان، قام اخيراً بـ «زيارة غير» علنية لسورية، علماً ان الرئيس بشار الاسد زار القاهرة قبل نحو اسبوعين، وبعد انتهاء القاضي الالماني ميليس من الاستماع الى شهادات سبعة من المسؤولين السوريين. واشارت المصادر الى ان «تبادلا للزيارات والتعاون» حصل بين مسؤولين سوريين ومصريين. وقالت المصادر السورية «ان دمشق سلمت القاهرة تقارير مفصلة عن شهادات المسؤولين مع ميليس وعن خلفية الشاهد محمد زهير الصديق، لتأكيد التعاون السوري مع التحقيق الدولي وعدم وجود أي دليل ضد سورية» في اغتيال الحريري.
وقالت المصادر ان مصر لعبت «دوراً لاستئناف التعاون والتبادل الامني مع واشنطن»، لكن الولايات المتحدة «لم تستجب هذه الرغبة» الى الآن، علماً ان دمشق تقترح ان يكون «التعاون في الاتجاهين وفي اطار جو ثقة سياسية مع وقف الحملات الاعلامية». واعربت عن الاعتقاد بان «طرق الباب» السوري من اميركا، استند الى أسباب عدة بينها «عدم توصل ميليس الى دليل قاطع ضد سورية وبالتالي لن تحصل واشنطن على العصا الغليظة التي تريد بها الضغط على دمشق، واستمرار المشكلة الاميركية في العراق، واكتشاف الحاجة الى تعاون سورية». وقالت المصادر: «ان دمشق ليست قلقة» من التقرير المرتقب لميليس في شأن اغتيال الحريري.


At 10/15/2005 09:58:00 AM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

Why is it so hard for Bashar to act respectable. Why is it so difficult To understand the need of the Syrian people to be proud of the leader and the government they have. Would it be too much if he to let the Syrians go free, stop the arrests, imprisonments, torture. Open the economy and social interaction, give rights back to those that lost it. How he would accept to be ruler of such a country, is not he ashamed and disgraced of the reputation he and his regime has in the world. Only mentally ill person will tolerate, allow and promote such a regime, let alone be the head of it, the man in charge. We understand Landis’s defend the regime because he was told so by the CIA and makes lucrative tax free income from it. But as a ruler, one with more than 30,000 in his defense company at his disposal, one would think a sane leader will make obvious choices. The Agha is not a physiatrist, but if Bashar needs help, he can get help when he choose a sane goal and method of rule that will make Syrians proud. This is not about Arabism, this is about Syrianism and all the Syrians people desperate needs. When do Bashar and his outlawed regime is going to get it.

P.S. we would not recommend removing this post. There are no fowl language or promotion in it. If you to remove it, we shall understand that you are denying us our free speech right and that you are to start a media war.

At 10/15/2005 01:26:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"The (U.N. Security) Council is going to have to be prepared to act in a way that ... allows the chips to fall wherever they may," Rice told reporters on her plane en route to London

At 10/15/2005 01:44:00 PM, Blogger Ghassan said...

Bashar says the he will not follow Qadhafi’s way but actually he is! How? Qadhafi at the beginning refused the offer given to him by the US and Europe but at the end, he accepted it or actually he was forced to accept. The reason Qadhafi accepted the offer was to protect his throne! Bashar will accept a similar offer just to protect his throne! I don’t think that Bashar can last as long as Qadhafi lasted and here are the reasons:
- Syria does not have the wealth (oil) that Libya has and in few months Syria will go bankrupt. In one month the Syrian lira was dropped 10%.
- Syria has much more people “unemployed and unhappy with the government” than Libya.
- A lot of dissidents are living in countries next door and are in communication with Syria via cell phones and Internet or can smuggle anything to Syria by bribing the poor border police!
- Syria is next to several countries who are unhappy with it. Lebanon: It killed its ex-Prime Minister, Hariri after a 29-year occupation which made the majority of Lebanese hate everything Syrian. Israel: there is only a truce. Jordan: There are thousands of Syrians living there because they can’t go back to their country. Iraq: does not need any explanation. Turkey: Syria must listen to it, otherwise...

I think Syria either will follow Qadhafi way or Saddam way. No other choice!

My concern is the Syrian people, actually the poor not the rich who will suffer. In few months, the Syrian Christians will immigrate outside Syria to any country that will accept them and Syrian Muslims will start appearing at mosques in surrounding countries asking people for money to feed their kids. Maher Assad (Oudai Saddam) will be driving his sport cars and continue acting like a bully who owns the country and Bashar Assad (Saddam Hussein) will be surrounded by the yes men who will tell him what he likes to hear. “All people love you and willing to die for you. Look at the demonstration chatting: By soul, by blood will protect you ya Bashar”

Wake up Bashar and don’t make your people suffer and at the end you will be in Mazza jail if you follow Saddam’s way or you will be on your throne after you give up the murderers if you follow Qadhafi’s way. The choice is yours but think about the poor Syrians. History will tell what was your choice!

At 10/15/2005 02:35:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Syria borders the state of Israel. The USA can take no chances when it comes to life after Bashar. Zarqawi type characters would love a chaotic Syria which they can make their new home and move the fight closer to the ultimate enemy. Even if there is a small probability of this scenario taking place, niether the USA nor Israel would want to take any chances. Life after Bashar will have to involve a seasoned military type person who can guarantee that the above scenario will never happen plus of course ensuring that the Iraq border is virtually sealed. With Bashar fully aware of this, his main immediate risk is an internal Alawi power struggle that can provide just that alternative. Clearly, Kenaan was one of the leading candidates. Uncle Rifaat of course now wishes he had been less brutal in Tadmur as the king of S.Arabia tries to find a way In for his distant relative.

At 10/15/2005 03:07:00 PM, Blogger Nicolas92200 said...

I didn't agree with Ghassan on most of his previous postings, but this last one said all I had on my mind.

The Gadhafi style deal was also reported on the the website, and one commentator, suggested to try and put in to a vote by the Syrian people. Why not? Why not try to do a survey (online at lest) to see what the people think of such a suggestion, if people are ok with it, then why not put it in an open letter and send it to the President.

Josh, would you be interested i adopting such a project? Would accept to include a survery feture on your blog and put this plan to a vote? I'm not an expert in such matters, so I'll leave the organizational nitty-gritty to you and to other commentatrs with better knowledge about this than me. But at least I personally will vote YES. Take this deal Bashar and spare us the hell that is coming our way, please please please.

At 10/15/2005 03:07:00 PM, Blogger Innocent_Criminal said...

Its astonishing how some people think. Some of the comments posted here lack any realistic or intelligent connotation. Look, the Syrian government is going nowhere whether you like it or not, they have called Washington’s bluff and it has worked, there will be NO regime change policy by the US, only chatter in that direction so please give that idea up. The only pressure will be isolation and Syria, in my very humble opinion, will become the next Iran. Regime change is out of the question because it requires force and more importantly because Syria’s adversaries prefer to see it weak than in turmoil. So let’s get real and start talking about the embargo/isolation scenario.

At 10/15/2005 03:17:00 PM, Blogger Nicolas92200 said...

This an article published today in the NY Times:

At 10/15/2005 04:03:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Regime change does not require force necessarily. If the Mehlis report unequivically implicates points the finger to Syria, as logic dictates, it will be very difficult for the Bashar/Maher/Asef trio to claim that they were not involved. No seriuos observer can argue that the four arrested Lebanese individuals and/or Rustom Ghazale acted alone without the above trio's knowledge. By next Friday, we will of course know the answer. A Syrian involvement in the report would mean that, if not Bashar then at least Maher,
would stand to attend an international trial. This would simply mean the end of the regime. I don't dissagree with I.Criminal that the USA is unprepared to use force in Syria presently. But I dissagree that sanctions and isolation are on the USA's priorities. Bush believes poverty and low economic growth has created a breeding space for extremism in the Arab World. Slapping economic sanctions that further destroys an already desperate economy does not exactly help that theory.

At 10/15/2005 05:13:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

There is not a dam thing the United States and Europe can do to force Bashar to do anything. He can make couple of calls and mess the whole Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza. He can get nastier and even start causing problem for the Bedouins and African in Cairo with Moslem Brotherhood. He can trouble the Turks with teh Kurds and they know it, that is why they brushed off America and stuck with Assad.

U.N. would not even pass any Sanctions because France is not hot on the idea and Russia totally against it. They just sold Assad Iskandars against all the hell washington and Tel aviv raised. France may veto sanction or abstained. At worse they will vote for it after they get assurance from Moscow that they will stick up to America and threaten to veto any U.N. resolution, just like they did with Iran.

As a last resort Bashar can shake some of the corrupt Bankers in Beirut and maybe Baghdad, one with exposing fraud, embezelment and shady deals and the other Baghdady with bribe. The shake up will yield some not very flatering information about corrupt and illegal deals some of the U.S. administration top and close people managed to stash few Billions away from uncle Sam.

Would'nt be surprised at the end of this cat and mouse game to see the pride of Washington Rock cats being held hostage by a mouse ( no offense to Bashar) He is anything but a mouse.

I told you about Mehlis fix way when it started before anyone ever known anything about it, mentioned the plane load of cash to Baghdad..etc. search for past comment here in the past 3 weeks about.

The game for the Syrians has not chnaged a bit. Either opposition have to stop playing Jesus, unite and carry arm or Bashar have to have some shame and decied to be the President of Syria and ll of Syria. Start run Syria the way he would run a corporation or as he would understand it a raketeering and mob family. Effeciently and honorably.

Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe
Syrian Republican Party
no time to spell check
got to go fast

At 10/15/2005 05:38:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

The days of Syria inciting trouble outside its borders are over. The rules of the game have changed. Does this mean that Bashar is ready to take a one way BA flight to London and call it quits? Unilkely, of course. No one would let go a multi-Billion Dollar enterprise that easy. I believe that this whole syria-USA-France confrontation has gone too far in one direction for a trend reversal. Is Bashar ready to give up and do anything asked of him to stay in power? of course, he is. But it is the USA-France that does not want to hear it.

At 10/15/2005 05:39:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

The days of Syria inciting trouble outside its borders are over. The rules of the game have changed. Does this mean that Bashar is ready to take a one way BA flight to London and call it quits? Unilkely, of course. No one would let go a multi-Billion Dollar enterprise that easy. I believe that this whole syria-USA-France confrontation has gone too far in one direction for a trend reversal. Is Bashar ready to give up and do anything asked of him to stay in power? of course, he is. But it is the USA-France that does not want to hear it.

At 10/16/2005 07:52:00 AM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

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At 10/16/2005 03:16:00 PM, Blogger Nur-al-Cubicle said...

I think the term is Qadhafi Bargain.

Some bargain. Italian PM Berlusconi asked Washington to lift the embargo on Libya as a price for IraqWar participation.

The current "deal" is 1) cooperate with the Mehlis Commission investigating the death of Rafiq Hariri, 2) punishment any Syrian agent involved, 3) cease interference in Lebanon and 4) end the recruitment, financing and training of Iraqi insurgents.(!) A Times of London source says it is likely that President al-Assad will reject the deal.

At 10/16/2005 03:23:00 PM, Blogger Nur-al-Cubicle said...

Doh! Conditions covered extensively in Joshua's prior post. I'll soon learn how to use the scroll bar.

At 10/16/2005 06:02:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Syria is rejecting a deal? Bashar is in no position to reject ANYTHING. By next Friday, and as far the U.S. is concerned, "the chips will fall where they may", in the words of C.Rice.

At 10/16/2005 09:10:00 PM, Blogger norman said...

Bashar Asad never wanted to be president ,he was drafted to save Suria from a cevil war1 - Syria should insist on prosecuting syrians in Syria as is israelies and americans ,the soldjers in Abugrabe were prosecuted in the US ,2- the Golan Hights should return to Syria in any deal ,3- Hizballa and Hamas will not need to stay armed with a full peace with Israel withdrowl to 1967 border and full compensation to palestenians simeler to was given the settelers who left Ghaza ,4-stabelity of Iraq is essential to Syria as in Syria they fear sombody like Zarqawi more than the US and with economic assistant and Know how Syria will be glad to help in return for improving the syrian economy and establishing goverment institution syria goverment does not improve not because they do not want to but because they do not know how and they are worry about anarky as should every syria loving syrians,So the deal that syria offers the US is simple ALL OR NOTHING,full peace in the middle east with economic prosperity to all for full help on all president Bush point he needs for the next election next year.

At 10/16/2005 09:33:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Bashar was drafted to save syria from civil war?
Syrian Government does not improve not because they do not want to but because they do not know how?
Syria will only offer ALL OR NOTHING. full peace in the ME with economic prosperity to all for full help to Bush for the next election next year?
One can only scratch his head when he reads such commentary

At 10/16/2005 09:39:00 PM, Blogger الدومري السوري said...

If the United States is really serious about forcing changes to the Syrian behavior, it must lead a resolution in the UN to outlaw the Ba'ath party worldwide based on the massacres and atrocities
committed in Iraq and Syria. Such resolution will leave Syria with two options:
1.Isolate itself as a second North Korea, which would lead to an internal revolt against the Ba'athists.
2.Dismantle the Ba'ath party which would automatically bring more moderate liberals to power.
Everything else would take years to accomplish.

At 10/16/2005 10:53:00 PM, Blogger norman said...

namosa, i do not know which part you do not like about the Baath,if it is the members and their coruption, i agree but for prisibles UNITY ,FREEDOM SOCIALISM ,long time ago i thought syria is poor and needs socialism to preventsocial unjustice and civil war then i recognised that Israel has no natural resourses and it,s GDP is ten times SYRIA,s i was wrong ,i disagree with the last one as everybody can see now that sicialism failed,one Arab nation with eternal mission all these are prinsible of the BAATH party where the BAATH party went wrong was in implementation they elected not to learn from other people on the way to improve thinking that syrian solution can be found in syria ,they are wrong the atrosities that happend in Syria Bashar has nothing to do with,Bashar can transfere Syria to a democracy without a bloodshed which i hope we all want.


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