Thursday, December 15, 2005

Ali Abdullah interviewed by Hugh McCloud

Ali Abdullah: we must distinguish between the regime and the state's interests

1 December 2005
Interview by Hugh McCloud
Sent to "Syria Comment" by Jihad Yaziji of "Syria Report"
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The Syria Report talks to Syrian writer Ali Abdullah, former PLO member and veteran critic of the Syrian regime who was recently released from prison after being held for reading a statement from the Muslim Brotherhood in a public debating forum.

You worked as a journalist for Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) between 1976 and 1982 in Beirut and then until 1994 in Tunisia. When you eventually came back to Syria, how were you greeted?

In 1993 Arafat signed the Oslo agreement with Israel so I thought about coming back to Syria. I asked the embassy in Tunis to give me a Syrian passport and after eight months they gave me a piece of paper with my photo on it. I arrived on February 14, 1994 at Damascus airport. The Syrian higher security bodies were there. I said: ‘Welcome me.’ They arrested me.

I spent two days in Mezze airport prison and was then transferred to the Palestinian Branch of Military Security in Damascus for six months. No-one hurt me or abused me, because at that time there was international pressure on Damascus to stop abuse of prisoners and there were reports by Amnesty about abuse. But I saw people who had been abused by security officials. They were hung by their hands from electricity cables. Their feet were swollen and their legs and feet were bleeding.

They asked me why I continued to work with Arafat and the PLO when I knew Syria disagreed with him. I said: ‘You change your mind about Arafat every two days, so what should I do?’

The next time you were arrested it was because of an article you wrote on the role of political Islam in Syria? What was your argument?

In 2002 I published an article on the future of political Islam in Al Mustaqbal, owned by Rafik al-Hariri. I said we have to give room for middle ground Islamic figures to work in order to prevent radical Islamists. An armed patrol came to my house. They arrested me and took all my books on Islamic issues and my old articles and my research on Islam. They put a Kalashnikov in my face and put me in the car. It was 10.30pm at night on February 14, again. A general from the military questioned me.

He asked me three questions. What’s you opinion on the use of Islam in politics? I told them Islam is a political religion. They asked my about my loyalty to Arafat. I said, yes I support Yasser Arafat. They asked me about my stance on the Syrian regime and why I am in opposition. I said that we had to explain the weak points in Syrian policy, why wrongs had been committed.

Knowing that the Muslim Brotherhood is a red line for the Syrian regime, why did you read out a statement from its leader during the Atassi Forum?

A month before I was arrested the forum met and we decided to send a message to the Ba’ath Party conference in June. So we arranged a meeting under the title: ‘The Reform Process According to the Syrian Opposition’ and we gave each party ten minutes to talk about reform. Obeid al Nasser, an MP and professor in Damascus University, represented the Ba’ath party.

The condition was that all the parties involved should believe in peaceful change. We consider the Muslim Brotherhood met this condition when they issued a statement accepting peaceful change. We sent an email to Bayanouni [Ali Bayanouni, the exiled leader of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, who lives in London] to send to the board their stance and opinion about democracy and the reform process. They sent the text and the board asked me to read the statement.

Why do you believe the Muslim Brotherhood is committed to peaceful change?

They issued a national work charter in 2002 and invited the Syrian opposition to discuss the future of the transfer of power and the future of political life in Syria. In 2004 they issued their political programme for Syria. It outlined their economic stances and said that they accept the civil state.

Bayanouni’s statement to the Atassi forum had four points; the rejection of violence; the rejection to turn Syria into a battle field; the rejection of taking power from foreign states; and the confession with all Syrian minorities and sects and a call for national dialogue. We don’t know exactly what’s inside their hearts but we are looking. But of course there are some groups who reject these points so when we give legitimacy to the groups who accept these points we strengthen them against the radicals.

When you were arrested in May after the Atassi meeting, did the security officials give you a reason?

They said I had breached the red line of the Muslim Brotherhood. The regime in Syria is still adhering to Law 49 [that makes membership of or association with the Muslim Brotherhood illegal]. I told them: ‘You accept to make a deal with Israel. How can you not accept to make a deal with the Muslim Brotherhood?’ They said: ‘The Muslim Brotherhood practise violence.’ I told them that was 25 years ago.

After I was released I visited one of the Muslim Brotherhood who was also released. He told me the security agents had asked him, after 16 years of prison, whether he was still a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He said no, in a general way, to mislead them, and so he was released.

According to my analysis there has been no change in the regime’s stance to the Muslim Brotherhood over the past 25 years. The regime looks to all parties as weak, except for the Muslim Brotherhood. They regime think they would be a real competition in an election and so they want to close the door on them.

Would you read out another statement by the Muslim Brotherhood?

Yes.

Since May, the Atassi Forum has been prevented from meeting by the security services. Will you continue to keep the forum open?

A delegation from the Arab Lawyers Union asked President Assad about the Atassi Forum. The president said the forum is illegal because it does not have a license. He wants us to apply to the Labour and Social Affairs Ministry and they will send it to the government and the government will ask the mukhaberrat and it will take two to three years. So we have decided to hold another session on the first Saturday of December.

The president made a direct threat to the opposition in his recent speech. Do you feel reforms in Syria are on hold until the pressure on Damascus eases?

The president now connects our demands with foreign pressure, but our demands began when the president’s relations with America were very good. And now relations are not good we keep the demands. We want him to make a real internal reform and I’m sure when he does this that the foreign pressures on Syria will decrease.

But I’m sure he will not make any reform. He now has foreign pressures. The president and the Syrian regime think now that foreign states have taken the decision to change the regime, so he has chosen the escalation line.

In a recent article I wrote that we have to distinguish between the regime and the state interest. The regime is not important like the state. Maybe the regime will collapse, but the state must not. We must also distinguish between the killers of Hariri and the whole regime.

What is your vision for Syria for the next six months? Will the regime collapse or will the Syrian people accept sanctions?

Syria could not carry out its economic reform programme over the last 15 years, when there were no sanctions. How can we with sanctions?

Syria has 18 million people and its GDP is $20bn. Jordan has 5 million people and their GDP is $30bn. One hectare in Syria produces 4 tonnes of wheat. In Egypt it produces 7 tonnes, while in France 11 tonnes.

The regime has two choices. To implement real reform and cooperate fully with the UN investigation, which will be a push to make a real change in the regime’s structure and to decrease pressure on Syria and create a division between the US’s and the European’s stances.

The other choice is to follow the escalation line and to sacrifice the country to resolution 1636 and sanctions and then we will have the next Iraq in Syria.

65 Comments:

At 12/16/2005 12:37:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

So the Attassi forum is MB light? Is that the oppostion in Syria? How disappointing.

Nevertheless I am beginning to think that islamists would do a better job than Assad corp.

 
At 12/16/2005 08:10:00 AM, Blogger Ghassan said...

Anyone is better than the Asad mafia idiotic regime! At least MB have integrity and value and are not corrupt!

 
At 12/16/2005 06:33:00 PM, Blogger zobahhan said...

Ghassan is an idiot

 
At 12/17/2005 07:11:00 AM, Blogger shamee27 said...

I bet you anything if we have free election in syria right now MB would win it without any problem.
The future in Syria and the rest of Arab world is for Islamists.

 
At 12/17/2005 09:26:00 AM, Blogger BP said...

how right you are shamee27. The Arab world and esp. Syria is in deep shiit only prayers and Allah can help out.
I bet you will not have free election next hundred years. No future for anybody.

 
At 12/17/2005 09:29:00 AM, Blogger Lebanon Divided said...

Joshua,

I never had the chance to thank you for the bit about:

"The US war to liberate Lebanon has only cost 40 victims so far"

&

"How can Israel assassinate its greatest ally in Lebanon (Tueni)"


Fuck You, you little piece of shit. Those 40 victims constitute the best of our men and when you want to accuse Tueni of being Israel's ally, we can accuse you of being anything from Assad's ass-licking lackey to the Mossad's undercover pawn, so get a life and get lost.

 
At 12/17/2005 09:54:00 AM, Blogger shamee27 said...

BP,
"No future to anyone"
Wrong statement, we should not despair, and we should not be frustrated 'like this divided guy'. The wind of change started to blow and I don not mean by that the yanki wind I mean the wind of Islam. Asad and his likes should count their days.

 
At 12/17/2005 10:49:00 AM, Blogger ol'son said...

"The significance of this masterpiece is not only the divulsion of facts,
but the focus it's made on the covert cooperation between the parties who
are enemies...., thanks to the organized " Smear Campaign by ..X..?,
and the deliberate resonance it received in Damascus..... "


http://www.abcnorio.org/pcgi-bin/boards/housing/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=162

http://www.abcnorio.org/pcgi-bin/boards/housing/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=164

 
At 12/18/2005 06:10:00 AM, Blogger ForFreedomOfExpression said...

Syria behind Hariri's murder, says UN probe head

The German prosecutor leading the United Nation's probe into the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik al-Hariri has publicly blamed Syria for the murder.

Detlev Mehlis told Arabic newspaper Asharq al-Awsat he was certain Syrian officials helped orchestrate Mr Hariri's killing.

Asked by the daily, "Do you believe unequivocally that Syria was behind Hariri's assassination?" Mehlis responded, "Yes".

The paper then asked: "Do you mean by that the Syrian government?" Mr Mehlis replied, "That is to say, the Syrian authorities."

 
At 12/18/2005 03:17:00 PM, Blogger Innocent_Criminal said...

I heard from ppl in Syria that Rifaat, Khaddam and Shehabi are working the scenes against the leadership in Damascus from France. did anyone hear this?

 
At 12/18/2005 03:18:00 PM, Blogger Innocent_Criminal said...

im not surprised about Rifaat, but what i found strange was Khaddam.

 
At 12/18/2005 03:43:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

After reading the words of Ali Abdullah I don’t think he would be looking for supporters like you Shamee27. He has been through too much. He knows how useless and self-destructive your type of attitude is, how you would put everyone else in hell just so you can feel excited and important for a little while.

What Ali Abdullah says makes sound sense and shows he is a good thinker. It is a shame he has no other clothes to dress in than the MB. No group will have trust and respect from everyone when it has a religious label stuck to it.

Shamee27, does your hope for the future come from seeing life in Saudi Arabia or Iran? Or just from some imaginings playing in your own head?

Be quiet and read properly what Ali Abdullah says, not what you tell yourself.

 
At 12/19/2005 11:22:00 AM, Blogger shamee27 said...

Passive listener,
Thank you for your invaluable comment, please don't tell me what to do...
People like you are very ill informed about what Islam can offer to everyone , you take Saudia Arabia and Iran as an example by taking these 2 regimes as an example to what Islam can offer , you are showing how ignorant and misinformed you are. May be you need to read a bit more about the history of political Islam because if you invest more time in that you wont come here saying comments like the one you wrote. It is not hope by the way which i am talking about its reality and it will happen sooner or later it’s only a matter of time and you guys know it and that’s why you and your likes are scared.
I can assure you got nothing to be scared of, Muslims are good and just people we won’t hang you or torture you because you disagree with us.

 
At 12/19/2005 12:03:00 PM, Blogger annie said...

Although this is off topic and although I hardly saw you during your stay here, I miss you Josh and hope that you are resettling happily in your snowy state and that we shall soon have the pleasure to read you again.

 
At 12/19/2005 02:05:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

Shamee 27 wrote: "May be you need to read a bit more about the history of political Islam because if you invest more time in that you wont come here saying comments like the one you wrote"

I have read and seen a lot, but don't worry about me. Ali Abdullah of the MB is the serious expert, and you can see above that what he says does not link with what you're hoping will happen.

 
At 12/19/2005 02:25:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

Shamee27 also said: "I can assure you got nothing to be scared of, Muslims are good and just people we won’t hang you or torture you because you disagree with us."

Shamee27, maybe you should be busy counselling a few Islamic regimes around the world, starting with the Government of Sudan... (since you missed your chance with the Taliban).

 
At 12/19/2005 02:47:00 PM, Blogger shamee27 said...

Passive listener,
You are showing your ignorance once again, Sudan as an example of Islamic regimes?!!!!!
The example I would like you to consider is Islamic Khilafa which take the Quran and the Sunnah as the one and only constitution. You should know what I am referring to If you read and Islamic history as you claimed, which I doubt very much. I am not worried about you I am worried about my Ummah and therefore working to achieve this goal is a must for all Muslims.

 
At 12/19/2005 07:20:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Shamee reminds me of the communists. Every time they take the power in a country, they fuck it up and say afterwards that it had nothing to do with.

What about the dhimmi status Shamee? Isn't that part of the Sunnah? What about the Shias and the Alawites? Will they have to abide by the Sunnah? Of will you apply different laws on different people?

 
At 12/19/2005 09:50:00 PM, Blogger Yabroud said...

What about, and what about!!!?

The Islamisation of these people will be available. They can become Muslim and just in few generations, they may be trusted and become normal!

لا إكراه في الدين

 
At 12/20/2005 06:18:00 AM, Blogger shamee27 said...

.Funny comment Vox how can Islam remind you with communism. I do not understand?!!!

Vox you can be Jew , Christian or anything you like in an Islamic state, maybe you need to read a bit more about history where did the Jews seek refuge when the Christians started to hunt them down in Europe I am sure you do not know the answer for this I advise you and your likes to look the answer up maybe you can spare us your rubbish comment

 
At 12/20/2005 06:34:00 AM, Blogger Innocent_Criminal said...

Shamee,

You are an idiot. Because the Islam empire also did some very bad things to non-muslims, non-christians and non-jews. and just like it would be wrong to blame islam for that your example is just as stupid. FYI, You "Al Fateh Al Islami" does not mean opening up countries to islam. it was war and islam was inforced upon many people, just like the crusaders any many other empires did, so try to be more objective.

i truly believe islam's worst enemies are ignorant religous ppl and you seem to be one of them.

Regards,
Tarek

 
At 12/20/2005 08:00:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

Reading the political map in the ME, we can clearly see that MB took 25% of the parliment in Cairo, Arab Sunni (seen as Jihadi) took nearly 25% in Iraq and Hamas won most local seats in Palestine. The only common thing between the above three examples is that these MB seats were taken by the power of people who resisted either their governments or occupation or both.

The question is for how long Rulers of the region could resist this notion towards Islam?

The more powerful Iran (Shiat)gets, the more supporters the MB in the ME will have. The more extreemist the Israeli government is the more likely the MB will get support and power.

I think Syria made a great effort with talking to Iran to make the Iraq elections happen. this is in order to decrease the feeling of threat by the majority Sunni in syria and eventually weakening some of the MB causes.

MB (political) does exists and does change to become a politcal party and not only for Dawa'a.

All the world is now searching for a formula to exclude political Islamic parties from the Democratic process and desperatley trying to link them to terroism. But will they succeed?

The success of any MB party in any Arabic nation is now dependent on the experience of two countries, Egypt and Iraq. If MB managed to produce a real politcal and social agenda acceptable by all sects, then you could expect that the future of the region is very Islamic.

 
At 12/20/2005 09:53:00 AM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

In response to Abu Arab:

True, the tactics of the Arab dictators are working fine. Now, the Egyptian so called Elections "proved" that the MBs are the alternatives to the "secular" regime in Egypt, and so they want to prove the same for every Arab country! Who taught the other this wonderful tactic, was it Mubarak teaching Assad, or Vice Versa?

The so called Egyptian Elections is a sham, and the so called success by the few MBs is ntothing short of evil tactic by the dictator of Egypt. Only 25 % of Egyptians participated in these sham elctions, and accordingly, people who voted truly belonged to the following two groups: 1- Regime Supporters who are by law guranteed the majority of the seats as we know, and as is the case in Syria, and the 20 or so percent are left for others. In this case, the others are the ones who are truly eager to get in, and to prove themselves and they are the MBs. The rest of the population, 75% said no to both parties and stayed home. Does that prove that the MBs are the alternatives to the Regime, and in that way, supposedly to scare the West with, and make the West think twice before forcing true Elections?

The game is one between all Arab dictators. Now Egypt folows Syria's tactic and tries to prove to its American Friends that there is no alternative to their dictatorship that can be acceptable if democracy is to be forced there.

God, this is the same old album that Joshua has consistently repeated here on this blog to keep the Syria Assadist dictatorial regime on the necks of Syrians. What does he care for the Syrian people's well beingsm when his care is obviously is what is good for America in his "liberal" eyes.

I say: the so called Neo Cons are right on this issue.

God bless the truth!

JAM

 
At 12/20/2005 01:22:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

God bless JAM! It's good to read his comments and those of Abu Arab, Innocent Criminal and Vox.

But who needs elections for the Shia's to start pulling Syria's levers? If there is any truth in the report below, Bashar has been handing them the pass keys to the controls. And potentially far more serious and complicated grief than anyone ever imagined for Syrians.

Anyone know anything that can verify this report?

REPORT: SYRIA AGREES TO HIDE IRAN NUKES

WorldTribune.Com Tuesday, December 20, 2005

LONDON — Syria has signed a pledge to store Iranian nuclear weapons and missiles.

The London-based Jane's Defence Weekly reported that Iran and Syria signed a strategic accord meant to protect either country from international pressure regarding their weapons programs.

The magazine, citing diplomatic sources, said Syria agreed to store Iranian materials and weapons should Teheran come under United Nations sanctions.

Iran also pledged to grant haven to any Syrian intelligence officer indicted by the UN or Lebanon.

Five Syrian officers have been questioned by the UN regarding the Hariri assassination, Middle East Newsline reported.

"The sensitive chapter in the accord includes Syria's commitment to allow Iran to safely store weapons, sensitive equipment or even hazardous materials on Syrian soil should Iran need such help in a time of crisis," Jane's said.

The accord also obligated Syria to continue to supply the Iranian-sponsored Hizbullah with weapons, ammunition and communications.

Iran has been the leading weapons supplier to Hizbullah, with about 15,000 missiles and rockets along the Israeli-Lebanese border.

The accord, negotiations of which began in 2004, was signed on Nov. 14 and meant to prepare for economic sanctions imposed on either Iran or Syria. Under the accord, Jane's said, Iran would relay financial aid to Syria in an effort to ease Western sanctions in wake of the UN determination that Damascus was responsible for the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

Iran also pledged to supply a range of military aid to Syria.

Jane's cited technology for weapons of mass destruction as well as conventional arms, ammunition and training of Syrian military.

Teheran would seek to upgrade Syrian ballistic missiles and chemical weapons systems. Under the accord, Iran would also be prepared to operate "advanced weapon systems in Syria during a military confrontation." Jane's said.

"The new strategic accord is based on the existing military MoUs, with the addition of the sensitive chapter dealing with cooperation in times of international sanctions or military conflict," Jane's reported

 
At 12/20/2005 02:26:00 PM, Blogger reminiscor said...

Iranian nukes and Iraqian WMD. It's a pure lie. But any lie is OK for me as long as Syria is liberated.

 
At 12/20/2005 03:04:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Thanks Active listener!!

In response to this quote from the newsmedia :
""Teheran would seek to upgrade Syrian ballistic missiles and chemical weapons systems. Under the accord, Iran would also be prepared to operate "advanced weapon systems in Syria during a military confrontation." Jane's said.
""

What Syrian city or town will they be aiming at after Hamah?

Their old weapons can still do the job there anyway. I am wondering why do they need advanced eweaponery to destroy another Syrian city.

The Syrian people are still unarmed, Mr. Assad.

 
At 12/20/2005 06:59:00 PM, Blogger adonis syria said...

as usual ,excellent comments JAM!

 
At 12/20/2005 07:47:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

JAM, just get a house in Damascus. Bashar will never blow his own palace

 
At 12/21/2005 04:49:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

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At 12/21/2005 04:51:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

To JAM:

I strongly disagree with you regarding the rates that you provided about the participation in Eygpt's recent elections.

I wonder if you could say the same to what happened in Algeria??

MB is the largest and the oldest party in Eygpt. If worst comes to worst and I have to accept your figures that MB party managed to get 25%, out of 25% of those who could vote, that means 25%/4 = 6.25% of those who could vote. not bad at all.
(But your figures incorrect)

This leaves us with 75% left to the next elections.
The question is how much of the remaining 75% will turn to vote for the MB in the next election.

If MB could succeed in providing a logical and acceptable programme to the Eygeptians, and if the same could happen to the Palestinian elcetions next month with Hamas taking over Fatah. (they are changing and adapting)

I think MB will soon get the credibility and the legality required.

I, also think this is a natural response to the American war on terror and its misleading media which presented Islam to be the worst option.

Not to forget that Israeli politcal parties have all one thing in common, i.e Relgion & Extreemists.

MB are now facing the biggest challenge in representing Muslims and Islam as a real alternative. They will soon go into deals with other parties, amend their charter and change to become a real poltical party.

Key to survive: Change

Its not the strongest species that survive, nor the most intelegent, but the most responsive to change. (Charls Darwin)

 
At 12/21/2005 09:06:00 AM, Blogger ForFreedomOfExpression said...

The growth and production of hard drugs in Lebanon is a relatively recent phenomenon. Until the Lebanese civil war, which began in 1975, cannabis was grown in Lebanon and used for the production of high-grade
marijuana, which the Lebanese saw as just another agricultural product,
alongside cherries and grapes, which are also grown in great
quantities in the Beka region. After the civil war
virtually destroyed all other economic fields,
however, the production of marijuana became a key
import sector in which almost all the ethnic
communities and forces involved in Lebanon played a part.
The turning point came when the Syrian army
entered Lebanon in 1976 in order to restore order to the country. The Special
Division (the Revolutionary Defense Corps) under the command of
Rifat Assad, the Syrian president's energetic brother, was placed in charge of
the Beka valley.

Rifat saw the cannabis fields and realized the financial potential of his complete control of the region. He allowed the farmers to grow opium poppies without restriction. Within less than ten years the percentage of cultivated land in the Beka valley used for growing drugs increased from 10% to 90%.
It is not enough to grow drugs. They must also be purified and exported by official and not-so-official air and sea ports, all of which were under the forceful control of Syrian officers and clerks. This led to the emergence of a complete business of bribery and protection money involving almost the entire Syrian administration.

This impressive list is headed by such names as Mustafa Talas, the Syrian defense minister, who issued transmit permits for drug
traders to use Syrian roads. These drug traders transported smuggled "Morphine
Base" from the Turkish border to the Beka region of Lebanon, where it is
purified. The purified heroin is then returned via Syria to Turkey, from where
it is exported to Europe. Rifat Assad continued to be involved in
drug trafficking through his sons after he left Syria and settled in Geneva in 1984. Other key names include the head of Syrian military intelligence, General Ali Duba, and the senior Syrian military representative in Lebanon, General Ghazi Kena'an.

In 1992-93, for example, when the Americans
estimate that the Beka region produced
approximately 720 tons of marijuana and
approximately 15 tons of heroin per annum, the
Syrian economy took a hefty slice of the profits,
amounting to some $3-4 billion each year.
In 1993, however, Syria dramatically changed its
attitude to the growing of opium and cannabis in
Lebanon. Assad, who had previously not lifted a
finger to stop the involvement of his country and
his own senior staff in protecting this trade and
providing transport facilities for drug dealers,
decided under strong pressure from the Clinton
administration to take serious action against the
opium and cannabis growers in the Beka valley.
Assad's very clear goal was to achieve the
long-desired removal of Syria from the State
Department's list of countries encouraging the
export of drugs.

Assad appointed his (now-deceased) son Basal and
General Ali Duba to head the campaign to destroy
the drug crops. In the past (and to some extent
even today) the Syrian and the Lebanese
authorities used to carry out show- piece
campaigns in which cannabis and poppies were
destroyed before the Western television cameras,
in order to free themselves of American pressure.
Now, however, according to Western intelligence
sources, Assad told his son to "eliminate the drug
problem in Lebanon."

Under Basal's command, the Syrian troops and
Lebanese policemen raided the drug fields of the
Beka region, engaging in a thorough and systematic
destruction of drug crops. However, a year after
this campaign began, Basal who had been earmarked
by President Assad as his successor was killed in
a mysterious road accident. Basal was driving his
Mercedes on the way to the Damascus airport in the
early morning before dawn, when he suddenly
swerved off the road. His car overturned and he
was killed.

Intelligence information reaching the West
recently has suggested that Basal's road accident
was actually a well-planned assassination ordered
by Lebanese drug dealers as revenge against Basal
(and as a warning to his father) for being
over-zealous in their destruction of the Lebanese
drug harvest.

Not only did Assad lose his beloved son, but Syria
lost a charismatic and gifted successor who would
one day have taken his place in the presidential
palace.

From 1993, the Syrians and the Lebanese
authorities have engaged in the genuine
destruction of much of the drug harvest, and have
also severely limited the areas where new harvests
may be grown. The American administration has
responded in kind, awarding both countries
substantial compensation (most of which will
probably never reach the growers). Spokespeople
for the American administration have sung the
praises of the anti-drug campaign on every
possible platform. Despite all this, Syria and
Lebanon have still not been removed from the State
Department's list of drug exporters, since drug
purification in the Beka region continues as in
the past, and has even expanded. The Lebanese drug
industry has simply shifted from an emphasis on
the "agricultural production" of poppies and
cannabis to "industrial manufacture" concentrating
on the purification of drugs from heroin and
cocaine bases imported from Asia and South
America.

Dozens of laboratories are active in Lebanon,
including full-scale industrial facilities as well
as mobile home-based installations (located in
strongly Shiite regions under the total control of
Hizbullah).
Some of the most respected families in Lebanon,
all of whose children are declared and well-known
Hizbullah supporters, such as the Abdullah family
from Nabatiya, the Hamiya, Shams, Za'itar and
other families, are involved in the drug trade and
dutifully pay their tithes to the Islamic
organization. This practice is not confined to
Hizbullah, however. Every ethnic community in
Lebanon has highly respected representatives in
the drug industry: for example, the Maronite
Christian families Franjiya and Jumail, and the
Druze Jumblatt family. Even the Palestinian
faction led by Abu Nidal has its own drug
purification plants that provide a useful income.
It is no surprise, then, that the founding
generation of the Syrian- Lebanese drug industry
and protection racket have raised a younger
generation following in their parents' footsteps.

Firstly, one might mention Rawi Harari, the son of
the Lebanese president, who is an international
drug dealer. The list also includes Fars and Darir
Al-Assad, the two sons of Rifat Assad (brother of
the Syrian president), who combine drug trading in
Europe with the marketing of stolen cars and
weapons. Far more impressive in his activities is
Muntazar Al-Kazar, a close associate of the
president, whose father was involved in the drug
trade when he served as an ambassador. Muntazar
himself (currently in jail in Spain) has become a
legend in his own life in the fields of drug
trafficking, weapons dealing and involvement in
terrorism.

Not all the younger generation have been so
successful. Ali Duba, for example, the head of
Syrian military intelligence who was described by
an American Congress report as "responsible for
inventing the organized protection racket for
Lebanese drug dealers" was bitterly disappointed
when one of his sons became a drug addict. His son
was hospitalized on a remote farm in northeast
Syria, but the shame and sorrow have cast a shadow
over the family.

Are you shocked?

Why?

* The Arabs have been growing and smuggling DOPE for over 1,000 years.
* The "Holy Prophet" Mohammed and his murderous Muslim warriors grew incredibly wealthy through their control of drug smuggling.
* The Devote Muslims of Afghanistan supply nearly 80% of the world's Heroin
* The Holy Shi'te Muslims of Iran are awash in DRUGS and half of their women (and young boys) WORK AS PROSTITUTES
* Hizbullah controls the DRUG PRODUCTION and trade in Lebanon and Syria
* Hamas smuggles dope and pimps for Gay Boy Prostitutes in the Gaza strip as well
* Liberals like Muslms because THEY ARE THE DOPE SUPPLIERS!

Do your homework, boys and girls - most of these desert goons have been CAREER CRIMINALS for almost all of recorded history - and they have not changed at all.

HOLY MUSLIMS EH? DRUGS AND WHORES - the REALITY OF ISLAM.

 
At 12/21/2005 10:12:00 AM, Blogger Atassi said...

ForFreedomOfExpression
Take this

You are nothing but a Full of it. You one of the most idiotic personality I have ever seen. Because people like you who hide behind good cause and words<<(ForFreedomOfExpression )
>> to spread their hatred and poisons around the world. You are nothing but a sick person

 
At 12/21/2005 10:25:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

The Reality Of Islam:

I am sorry to read these terrible expressions about Islam.

your attempts to link Islam and Muslims with drug smugling is useless.

Let me just nowrich your mind about the reality of Islam:

Muslims had an empire and ruled this area and parts of Europe and the Islam mission reached all over the world.

The most interesting think about islam is that it now exists as if its new.

Islam taugh us that Adultry is a sin and deserves the death penalty so what is the case of Prostiution then?

Islam taught us to trade with things that does not hurt us or others and forbided everything that could make us uncoucsious like drugs, alcohol etc.

Islam ordered us to respect women and mostly mothers. A woman in Islam is far safer than those living in the West. she is respected and protected.

Hamas Smugles Weapons to kill the occupier not drugs Mr.

Hizbullah defended lebanon and protects its people from the Israeli attacks not drugs fields

Islam taught those occupiers in Iraq lessones in battles feilds and they are now defeated inshallah.

Enjoy your freedom of expression but please remeber that the days of this kind of freedom is numbered.

Watch out Mr Freedom

 
At 12/21/2005 03:03:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

The MB was authorized to present candidates in approx. one third of the electoral districts. And it won 2/3 of these districts, despite the electoral manipulation and the government attempt to exclude from the vote segment of the population who were favouring the MB.

The MB say that they are against violence because they don't have weapons anymore. The MB is only against violence when violence is not a viable option.

I have no doubt that the MB will come to power in Syria and it will empty Syria of its Christian population (not to mention the druze and the Alawites). But if it's the price to pay to get rid of the Assads, so be it.

 
At 12/21/2005 06:19:00 PM, Blogger DamasceneBlood said...

As much as I disagree with many here, I think ForFreedomOfExpression is the lowest form of life here on SC.

WTF are you doing, moron, linking Islam and its prophet to drug-dealing??? you are either completely insane or just a lame liar. Care to provide any supporting documents for your outrageous claims? I don't think so.

Some people dislike the MB for their extreme, takfeeri actions. Some dislike the Shia for their closed-soceities, but to accuse Muslims in engaging in drug-dealing and gay-prostitution, one has to either be a hard-core-Zionist, a Maronite-Lebanese, or an insane right-winger.

 
At 12/21/2005 08:14:00 PM, Blogger norman said...

To evaluate islam we have to look at how Islam spread around the wourld ,islam spread because of it,s mersefull nature peoplbecame muslems because it offerd equality to the defeated and avoidence of paying protection and that is why many christians are still in Syria and lebanon and egypt we all know that the christians of Jeroselem surrenderd the keys to the city to khalefa Omar and that Saladin let the Cresaders stay if the seek peace and let their king leave after his defeat and years later when the Jews were bing persecuted in Europ they seeked refuge in Alandolos (Spain)because the Arab muslem were the rulers of that land then they moved with the Moores to Moroco ,About the drug traficking ,it is a matter of suply and demand and if the west spend more time raising their kids appropietly then there will be no need to deal with drugs,I am christian and my fear is not from Islam but the way some muslems understand Islam and how they want to force their understanding on the people of Syria on all ethnic and religous groups.

 
At 12/21/2005 10:10:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Is Islam that bad?



I would say it is a common problem among all races, majorities or minorities. It is the human being that has not evolved yet to the rank the almighty God wanted him to evolve to. Human nature is savage among many. Oppression, immorality, opportunism, etc... are traits that all religious affiliations, peoples, and races share equally. All one has to do is to look at how minorities behave when they get power, for while they are persecuted by the majority, a decent human being would feel for them, and cry for their misery. Such is the case for Jews, for Alawis, for Druz, etc... While they are weak, and oppressed, no one fair minded person can even envisage that these people will one day not feel for the oppressed or the weak if they ever get power. No one would think that they would abandon their religion that asks them to be kind, and forgiving, nor will any one among them ever imagine that he would be the oppressor of other peoples one day. but look at Jews and Alawis at the first chance of being some how powerful! We are humans, and that is the whole problem. Tell ne that Christians or Jews, or white peoples, or black peoples, or yellow ones behaved good when they had the chance to oppress others and become corrupt? I say we are all equal in being stupid humans after all. What we see in the Christian West now is law and order, but we are seeing the West now, and this is an evolved state of being that the West did not enjoy all of the times. The West though it was Christian, behaved like barbarians facing other human beings: Jews, West Indians, etc...


Islam as a religion is one that calls for Justice and fairness, and in Islam God is called 99 names, those names describe him to be fair, just, merciful, etc..When reading the Quran, one has to start by saing: In the name of God, the Merciful..It is a religion that asked for Justice for the protection of the poor and the oppressed. I wouldn't say it is too different from Christ's message ( a message that no Christian is applying. No Christian I knew would turn the other cheek, or loves his enemies).


Have a great nite.

 
At 12/22/2005 02:48:00 AM, Blogger Innocent_Criminal said...

Vox,

Your last comment was the most moronic yet. First of all you obviously couldn’t give two shits about Syria or its people so i wouldnt have a clue why we are even having this discussion. BUT... any scenario that might jeopardize the minorities in Syria especially the Christians, Druze, Alwaites and Kurds is a red line that should not be crossed and must be protected by any force imaginable. i would rather nuke the fuckers that might enforce their religious (which ever that may be) mentality on others even they were from my own family. So NO, the current situation is a shit load better than having the MB or any other fanatic party controlling the country.

 
At 12/22/2005 06:56:00 AM, Blogger adonis syria said...

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At 12/22/2005 07:04:00 AM, Blogger adonis syria said...

Vox,The syrian moslems are nostalgic of the cosmopolitan cities of their ancestors in which the christians were major players in the economic and education-intellectual domains.
The truth is that the baathist regime has greatly weakened the christian influence in the syrian society.
The nationalization of the syrian economy and schools forced the christians from the rich and middle class to leave their homeland to Lebanon or to western countries.The majority of the christians who live in the rural aeras of al-Jazireh and Christian valley have left the country during these last 3 decades.From the 15 % before the baath,Today the christians of syria are estimated at 6% and this % is dwindling year after year.

 
At 12/22/2005 10:14:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

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At 12/22/2005 10:16:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

Adonis:
By no means the christians made 15% of the syrian population 3 decads ago.

Let me just tell you that the 15 million syrinas living abroad are not only christians. The majority are Muslims.

If the Christians left Syria, its not because of the Bath Party, its because of their own ambitions to live abroad. and not to forget the the support provided by some western countries to them as christians.

I am not here to underestimate the role of the Christians within the Syrian society, but the reality is that they are only a tiny sect of the Syrian society.

Bye the way the Syrian TV celebrates the Christmas & the new year as of Syria is a real Christmas state.

If you watch what's happening in Iraq under the new democracy, you will soon realize that any democracy in Syria will bring the christians back to their real size(i.e.5% Minority)

 
At 12/22/2005 12:43:00 PM, Blogger dimas said...

As for the Christians and its size...the estimates are that it is 13-17% of the current population. Perhaps Abu Arab, you mean that the Alawites will deflate to their true 3-5% of the population rather than the 15% they claim. The Vatican and other Christian entities have taken an active role in ensuring that Syrian Christians are denied exit visas. They are lookign to ensure that the "Holy Land" remains filled with a Christian base. Open your history books and remember that Islam (in Syria)was spread by the Ottoman Empire by the sword. As of course, the cursaders spread the word before them. Whatever you are clebrating, Yan3ad 3laikum!

 
At 12/22/2005 01:58:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

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At 12/22/2005 01:59:00 PM, Blogger ForFreedomOfExpression said...

For the past 40 years, a small, historically marginal, demeaned and despised, heterodox religious minority has dominated and ruled Sunni-majority Syria. This Alawi people, never considered to be Arab, lived a concealed village existence in their mountain hideouts for 1,000 years, adhering to a religious stream so divergent from Islam that its members were not considered Muslims. Indeed, they turned mosques that intermittent alien Muslim rulers imposed upon them into horse stables. They did not fast during Ramadan, or go on the haj to Mecca.

 
At 12/22/2005 02:02:00 PM, Blogger ForFreedomOfExpression said...

THE ALAWI people, perched in 79 impoverished villages in the Jabal Ansariyya in north-western Syria, are composed of four tribal formations: Kalbiyya, Khayateen, Haddadeen and Matawira.

There are further cultic divisions among the Alawis; the Assads, for example, belong to the Kamari sect. Considering that Assad means "lion" in Arabic, the fact that the original family name until the French mandate period in the 1920s was Wahsh, meaning "beast," suggests the degradation that Hafez Assad successfully overcame in grabbing power in Damascus in 1970.

In 1970 two Alawis, both senior figures in the Ba'ath Party and the army, competed for political primacy in Syria. Hafez Assad from the Kalbiyya tribe, stronger than his rival within the military forces, overwhelmed Salah al-Jadid from the Haddadeen tribe. Assad imprisoned Jadid, who later died in jail in 1993.

Other Alawis were purged from power, Stalinist-style. Another Assad power competitor at the time, Muhammad Umran from the Khayateen tribe, was murdered in Lebanon in 1972. Such vicious inter-tribal actions are never forgotten in traditional and structurally factionalized societies.

The family, tribal and "national" levels of Alawi group organization assumed central political importance during the Hafez Assad era from 1970 until his death in 2000. Assad's minority sectarian regime still remains the pillar of Bashar's power base in 2005.

 
At 12/22/2005 02:06:00 PM, Blogger ForFreedomOfExpression said...

The key security and military posts in the Assad era - father and son - have been filled by Alawis. In the inner sibling circle were two brothers of Hafez, Rifaat commanding the Defense Companies and Jamil responsible for security in the Latakia area of the Alawi homeland, where the family's village of Qardaha is located in the mountains.

Adnan Assad, a cousin, led the Struggle Companies for a time. Assad's wife's cousin, Adnan Makhlouf, was responsible for the Presidential Guard. Yusuf Assad and Muhammad Assad, family relatives, were responsible respectively for the Ba'ath Party in Hama and the Defense detachments in Aleppo. Other Alawis from Assad's Kalbiyya tribe filled sensitive security positions: General Ali Duba headed Military Intelligence, Muhammad al-Khuli Air Intelligence, and Ali Aslan served as deputy chief of staff. Ali Haydar, of the Haddadeen tribe, commanded a Special Forces Unit in the army.

ASSAD BROADENED the religious appeal of the regime by appointing Sunni figures to key political posts. However, armored units around Damascus and intelligence units in civilian and military affairs remained the prerogative of Alawi officers. Vice President Abdul Halim Khaddam, a Sunni, married an Alawi woman from Assad's tribe, despite the fact that Islam forbids a Muslim to marry an Alawi.

Despite the strategic ethnic key in the Hafez Assad regime, intra-Alawi tensions were not unknown. In particular, opposition to brother Rifaat erupted in the 1980s and fighting broke out in Damascus among competing Alawi-led military units. In Latakia, Alawi clashes took place in the 1990s. Yet the tribally divided Alawi community regime sustained its stability due to the singular authoritarian leadership of the Syrian president.

The smooth transfer of power from Hafez to Bashar in 2000 demonstrated that political heredity was the surest guarantor of continuity and loyalty. The period of Bashar's presidency has operated as expected according to the Alawi ethnic principle adopted by his father. It is correct to suggest that family more than tribe became over time the core component of the pattern of power in Damascus.

Bashar's brother Maher, suspected of direct involvement in the Hariri assassination, now heads the Presidential Guard. Assef Shawket, also a prime suspect in the murder, heading Military Intelligence, is married to Bushra, the sister of the Assad boys. Ghazi Kanaan, he too of the Kalbiyeen tribe and married to Bashar's cousin, served as Syria's strongman in Lebanon from 1982 to 2002.

But on October 20, he mysteriously "committed suicide," leading us to assume that Kanaan took to his grave the full scope of Bashar's responsibility for the Hariri murder.

Other senior Alawi personnel in the upper echelons of the regime hierarchy include Izz al-Din Ismail heading Air Force Intelligence, Muhammad Khalouf and Jamaa Jamaa, and Rostom Ghazali who governed Lebanon until his recent dismissal from the post in the aftermath of the Hariri assassination and the Syrian military withdrawal from Lebanon.

THE RUTHLESS days of totalitarian tribalism seem to be coming to an end. Increasing international pressure on Syria, that includes the report of special UN envoy Terje Roed-Larsen charging that Damascus has not fulfilled Resolution 1559 for a complete withdrawal of all security personnel from Lebanon and the disarming of Hizbullah, will intensify brother-to-brother Alawi opposition and suspicion within the politically besieged sectarian community.

From the beginning of the daring Alawi assault on Damascus until today, factionalism, fissures and fighting have tarnished the coherence of communal rule. Virtual schisms and tension within and between the tribes mar the ranks of this esoteric sect.

In 1999, Maher Assad shot and injured his brother-in-law Assef Shawkat who had criticized uncle Rifaat Assad. Certainly the elimination of Ghazi Kanaan is a sign of inner-Alawi breakdown, against the dark shadows of the Hariri assassination examined under the illuminating light of Detlev Mehlis.

The disintegration of the Alawi tribal state in Damascus is one among other possible outcomes of the present crisis in both Syria and Lebanon. This particular political script could send this rugged bunch of "heretics" fleeing for refuge back home in their mountain stronghold, unleashing the forces of centrifugal fragmentation in Syria to encompass, in addition to the Alawis, the Druse in the south and Kurds in the northeast. A new map for Syria would carry sweeping regional implications for Iraq and Turkey, Lebanon and Israel.

The "Zionist virus," as the Arabs call it, would then spread and grant liberty to small peoples on the model of the Jews of Israel. Buoyed by a dialectical twist of history, the political transformations would serve Israel's strategic benefit. A tamed or divided Syria would neutralize Israel's last major Arab protagonist after Egypt and Iraq, from active aggression.

The source for this enigmatic Assadian scenario can be traced to Sleiman Assad, Hafez's grandfather, who offered his own contribution to this possible turn of events. He, along with five other Alawi representatives, signed a letter on June 15, 1936, sent to French prime minister Leon Blum. Its contents are remarkable when set in contrast to the views of his Ba'athist pan-Arabist grandson and great-grandson.

Considering the Zionist national enterprise, Sleiman and his friends refer in their letter to "those good Jews who have brought modernity and peace… and spread fortune and prosperity in Palestine, without hurting or taking anything by force. Despite this, Muslims declared a sacred war against them and slaughtered their children and women [in 1929 and again in the Arab Uprising of 1936]. The Jews and the minorities of the Middle East are destined for a black future…"

This foreboding prophecy can explain the shifty ideological path chosen by Hafez and his son, and of the Alawi community in general, flaunting their Arabism at every turn, even feigning Islamic faith.

But the game may be over now, but opening up another option. The "minority equation" within a pluralistic Syria can be animated with vigor, if the Alawis throw off the chains of Arab nationalism and join other politically compatible fellow peoples for a modest life of dignity and freedom in the Middle East.

 
At 12/22/2005 03:16:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

The only question concerning the MB is about their policy towards the secular Sunnis and the religious minorities. Considering the MB history in Syria and especially Egypt, these relations are likely to be bloody.

It's very possible that an Islamist regime in Syria will lead part of the Syrian bourgeoisie and the religious minorities (including Druze and Alawites) to emigrate to Lebanon. I would regard this as a positive development for my country. Lebanese economic growth in the 50's and the 60's is partially due to the arrival of rich Lenvantine who were living in Egypt for generations and to Syrian fleeing socialism. Lebanon provided these people with a liberal environment and it's still the case today (though we have a lot of competition coming from Dubai and Qatar).

I think that the French made a grave error when they created the current states. They should either have created mini-sectarian states or a greatest Lebanon that would have englobed all the minorities in the region, including the Alawite and druze regions of Syria.

This extension would have been compatible with the Lebanese nationalism. Most of the Syrian Druze came from Lebanon after the Ayn Dara battle in the XVIIIth century and Phoenicia extended to cities like Tartous and Latakia. Not to mention Bashar's grandfather who asked the French to merge the Alawite territory to Lebanon.

But what is done is done. It's too late to redraw the borders and Lebanese nationalism is a reality that is not likely to disappear.

 
At 12/22/2005 03:30:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Freedom of expression, it's very amusing that you commented on the same issue than me. I didn't see you comment before I posted mine.

You say :

"unleashing the forces of centrifugal fragmentation in Syria to encompass, in addition to the Alawis, the Druse in the south and Kurds in the northeast. A new map for Syria would carry sweeping regional implications for Iraq and Turkey, Lebanon and Israel. "

I agree with you on the fact that an MB empowerment could dismantle Syria. Moreover, since the mid-90's, the international community do not allow majority to 'cleanse' their minorities. What do you think will happen in this case? Do you think that the Druze will want to form their own state, or will ask to be merged with Lebanon or Israel (assuming that these countries will be willing to accept that)? What about the Alawites? I am thinking about posting a piece on an eventual formation of federation of minorities in the Levant.

 
At 12/22/2005 03:57:00 PM, Blogger DamasceneBlood said...

All this discussion aside. The question that begs asking the most is:

Where the hell is Dr. Landis????

Maybe they don't have the internets in OK?

 
At 12/22/2005 09:12:00 PM, Blogger adonis syria said...

Vox,the MB believe in the free market economy and important figures of the MB belong to the traditional bourgeoisie that abdelnasser and baath have profoundly damaged.
Their old alliances with secular parties and even communists contradict your conclusions.

 
At 12/23/2005 03:43:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

dimas,

below is the exagerated figuers from the CIA world Feedback site:

Sunni Muslim 74%, Alawite, Druze, and other Muslim sects 16%, Christian (various sects) 10%, Jewish (tiny communities in Damascus, Al Qamishli, and Aleppo)


Let me also remid you that the Christians of Aleppo are not syrians they are Armans from Arminia and thanks to the Bath they still exists in Syria.

This leads us to the conclusion that the SYRIANS CHRISTIANS are 5% very tiny sect.

Adonis:
By the way the founder of the bath Party is Christian, I hope you know that Mr.

You should go every sunday to your nearest church and pray for the BATH.

 
At 12/23/2005 04:43:00 AM, Blogger adonis syria said...

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At 12/23/2005 04:46:00 AM, Blogger adonis syria said...

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At 12/23/2005 04:47:00 AM, Blogger adonis syria said...

Abu Arab,aleppo was the city with the largest christian population in the middle east.
From 25% in the 60's ,today they are 5% of the city population.
Contrary to what u claims,the majority of the christians in Aleppo are arabs ,the armenians and syriacs came after.
The migration of armenians from Aleppo to Canada and the States is significant (80 000 in 1980, 40 000 in 2004).

 
At 12/23/2005 10:46:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

This is a difference between Lebanon and Syria: in Lebanon we consider Syriac and Armenians to be Lebanese. It is amusing that you consider Syriac to be non Syrian given the fact that the name 'Syria' is an Arabic deformation of their name.

 
At 12/23/2005 08:42:00 PM, Blogger adonis syria said...

Vox,we consider them as integral part of the syrian people.

 
At 12/24/2005 05:30:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

The christians' problem is that they want to beleive that they are different. They want to beleive that they have a unique identity, extraordinary intellectual abilities, they want to beleive that they are ver much similar to the west.

In fact most of the Christians in Syria (Syrans) are simple people live in villeges.

The Armenians are not integrating witht the Syrian culture, they live in Syria like a forign group, speak a different language and adapt a very much western culture.

I think this is thanks to the good nature of the Syrians and also to the Bath Party which gave them the freedom to do so.

 
At 12/24/2005 10:52:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

I don't see why the Armenian should renounce to their language and culture. And it's not because of the Baath that they are free to live in Syria (actually, since when the Fascist Arab Baath give you any kind of freedom?)

Abu Arab illustrates the hatred of panarabists towards Christians and all those who are different from his Arab-Sunni standard. The so-called Arab nation is nothing less t and Arabism is a moderated version of Islamism, (and spare me the Michel Aflak cliché).

 
At 12/24/2005 11:20:00 AM, Blogger Abu Arab said...

And What's wrong with Islamism? is it not better than Christianism for an Arab Muslim state like Syria?

In Iraq now you could heardly see any existense to the Christians within the Iraqi Government, This is the Democracy that you guys would like to bring to Syria. But remeber that Syria is 94% Muslim with Sunni Majority who will take over.
Once again let me reminde you that you christians guys are now living your golden times.

by no means you are in a better sitiuation than your Brothers in God in Egypt who beleive they are the Landlord of Eygpt. soon they willgo back to accept that fact that they are just a Minority Sect.

 
At 12/26/2005 11:58:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Abu Arab show how the difference between Arab nationalism and islamism is blurry. I already knew this, but maybe the western reader will stop believing that 'Arab nationalism' is secular and unrelated to islamism.

 
At 1/02/2006 06:29:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

Vox
Don't jump on everyone typos to point out your superior Lebanese equality to sects, especially the Christians.

We make no distiction between sects in Syria and unlike Lebanon that have distroyed itself over and over over secterian civil wars until the 80' MB conflict we never ever throughout history had a secterian conflict in Syria.

Adding to that MB conflict in the 80's was not secterian in any way, it was purely political one, cloathed by secterianism. In fact it was about political control of the country between traditional and baathists. Mind to remind you at that time, in the early days of the baathist control of Syria, Sunni Moslem were largely in control of the Baath Party.

 
At 1/02/2006 06:33:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

Mr. Landis

Please do something about this intrusive spyware coming from counter.digit.com that is embedded into every page of your comment.

 
At 1/09/2006 03:03:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Some one should investigate why threads keep disappearing

 
At 8/06/2006 06:01:00 AM, Blogger sub Rosa said...

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