Saturday, December 31, 2005

Conversations Between Human Rights Activists and Islamists in a Syrian

Conversations Between Human Rights Activists and Islamists in a Syrian

MEMRI Special Dispatch: Syria/Reform Project
December 30, 2005
No. 1061

After several months in prison, Syrian author and human rights activist Ali
Al-Abdallah was pardoned and released by Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad,
on the occasion of the Muslim holiday of Id Al-Fitr, in early November 2005.

Ali Al-Abdallah was arrested in May 2005 following a conference of the Jamal
Al-Atasi Forum for National Dialogue, a Syrian NGO that works to advance
political reforms in Syria. Ten days later, the other members of the
organization's executive board were also arrested.

During his incarceration, Al-Abdallah met several "Damascus Spring"
activists who had been arrested in 2001 for promoting political and civil
reforms and human rights in Syria, and had been sentenced to five years'

In an article in the Lebanese daily Al-Mustaqbal, Al-Abdallah described
conversations in prison between Syrian reform and human rights activists and
Islamic fundamentalists. In the article, he attempts to warn against Salafi
(Islamist) thought, which permits murder and violence for reasons of belief
and politics.(2)

The following are excerpts from his article:

Salafi Prisoner: "By Agreeing to a Dialogue With the Regime and to Peaceful
Political Activity, [the Muslim Brotherhood] Borders on Polytheism"

"During the period in which I was detained, circumstances brought me to a
face-off with a number of individuals belonging to the Salafiyya Jihadiyya
movement. We were in two adjacent cells (four Salafis were gathered together
in a cell that was two meters by two and a half meters), and this permitted
intermittent and pointed conversation. They noticed that I was next to them
because I discussed the Koran with my friend Riyadh Hamoud Al-Durar, who was
incarcerated in a nearby cell...

"One of them asked me if I was a Muslim. I answered, 'Of some sort.' He
asked me whether I belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. When I answered no,
and added that I saw Arabism and Islam as foundations of the Arab identity
within a democratic regime and a proper government, he stopped the
conversation, saying, 'We'll talk in the future.' But this 'future' never

"A long time passed until I again heard the voice of the young man who had
spoken to me, and that was when a new [prisoner], who had been deported from
Britain, came to a nearby cell. After we talked with the new prisoner and
learned that his father had belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood, the young
man said something to him about 'his father's friends,' referring to the
Muslim Brotherhood. According to him, 'in agreeing to conduct a dialogue
with the regime and to adopt political activity in peaceful ways, your
father's friends are bordering on polytheism [shirk].' As far as he was
concerned, the criterion for faith is outright jihad and fighting the
infidels and polytheists."

Human Rights Activist: "The Koran Does Not Call for Boycotting Others or
Self-Isolation From Society"

"Afterwards, he warned the new prisoner not to talk to us or to participate
in the discussions conducted at night among the residents of the nearby
cells (Walid Al-Bunni, Habib 'Issa, and Fawaz Tilo, who were among the
Damascus Spring detainees thrown into a cell several years ago, after being
sentenced by the State High Security Court that was acting in accordance
with the emergency laws that have been in force [in Syria] for over 40

"He based the ban on talking with us on the Koran verse [4:140] '...When you
people disbelieving and mocking Allah's signs, do not sit with them'... But
he did not complete the verse, which ends with the words: 'until they change
the subject of their conversation.' In other words, the Koran does not call
for boycotting people or for isolating oneself from society, as is claimed
in the calls of takfir [accusations of apostasy].

"To prove his view, [the prisoner] referred to the relations mentioned in
the Koran between the Prophet Abraham and his people, as proof that the
regime, and those with differing opinions, should be boycotted. In the Koran
[60:4] it says: 'Indeed, there is for you a good example in Abraham and
those who were with him, when they said to their people: Surely we are not
committed to you and to [the idols] you worship besides Allah; we want
nothing to do with you, and enmity and hatred will separate us and you
forever, unless you believe in Allah alone.'

"[The prisoner] did not take into account the clear difference between the
two instances: Abraham's people were polytheists, whereas the Muslim
Brotherhood members are believers [in one God]. Likewise, he did not take
into account that the disagreements between Abraham, his father and his
people were about monotheism, whereas the disagreements between the
Salafiyya and Muslim Brotherhood movement are political, and do not stem
from issues of faith.

"At the beginning of the month of Ramadan, I congratulated friends and
prisoners in the nearby cells on the occasion of the blessed month [of
fasting]. I [also] wanted to congratulate the Salafis and therefore turned
to them and spoke, but they did not respond to my congratulations, and acted
as if they weren't there. But their leader (Omar) listened to my
conversations with my friend Riyadh Hamoud Al-Durar, which took place nearly
every day after the pre-fast meal and dealt with Koranic verses and their
meaning. [He] saw fit to talk with us, perhaps because he thought that [our
ways] could be mended. He turned to Riyadh and said: 'I did not talk with
you [two] in the past, but when I heard you discussing the Koran, I thought
it necessary to do so.'"

Salafi Prisoner: Human Rights Activists are "Unbelievers Because They
Believe in Democracy and Reject the Koranic Punishments"

"He began to talk with us about monotheism... and then said to Riyadh: 'I
see that you have fallen into a trap in your conversations with the people
in adjacent cells.' He described these people as infidels, because of their
belief in democracy and their rejection of Allah's punishments as mentioned
in the Koran (amputating the hand of a thief and stoning the adulterer). As
proof, he quoted the Koran [5:44]: 'Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah
hath revealed are infidels.'

"Riyadh responded that he was confusing the judicial with the political
sphere, since the Koran [uses verbs of different roots] for issues in the
personal and social sphere... and for political issues...

"The Salafi was silent, but that did not mean that he accepted Riyadh's
words or was convinced by them... [because] his reaction to news of
Salafiyya Jihadiyya operations in Iraq against the American and Iraqi forces
and against Shi'ites and Kurds was a reaction of joy. He would burst into
Salafi songs in praise of Jihad and martyrdom.

"When we protested against the barbaric murders [in Iraq] that do not
distinguish between occupier and civilian or between military personnel and
civilian, and [we] protested against accusing the Shi'ites of unbelief and
murdering them... he [tried but] failed to defend these barbaric deeds and
could not prove that they were unbelievers. He did not condemn the
[murders], and he linked them to the political behavior of the victims,
[claiming that] they were traitors. [He also claimed] that the Salafis
discuss every case seriously before carrying out any 'martyrdom' [istishhad]
operation, and that they kill only those whose unbelief, polytheism, or
treachery has been proven ? which justifies their killing.

"When we tried to point out to them that [the Salafis] kill people to whom
these jurisprudent opinions do not refer, he solved the problem by referring
to these victims as having fallen by accident, and called them 'shahids'..."

(1) "Damascus Spring" is a term for the political awakening that took place
in Syria with Bashar Al-Assad's nomination as president, in June 2000. In
the course of one year, many public bodies promoting democracy and civil
society were established across Syria, including the Jamal Al-Atasi Forum,
which in January 2001 declared itself an NGO for democratic discourse. In
September 2000, a communiqu? by 99 Syrian intellectuals called for the
abolition of the state of emergency in Syria, the release of political
prisoners, and the advancement of political and civil reforms. In July 2001,
the establishment of the Syrian Human Rights Association was declared, and
attorney Haithem Al-Maleh was elected chairman. Expectations for reform,
however, began to fade when in August 2001 the Syrian authorities launched a
series of arrests of reformist activists, and sentenced them to years in
(2) Al-Mustaqbal (Lebanon), November 20, 2005. The article also appeared on
the Kuwaiti reformist website Tanweer, at .


At 12/31/2005 03:53:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Josh, what do you think about Khaddam's defection? Do you think that Bashar will be able to survive the investigation now?

At 12/31/2005 04:57:00 PM, Blogger Ghassan said...

Every other blog is talking about the Kaddam affair! Where are you living?

At 12/31/2005 05:08:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Professor Landis is putting his thoughts together before he makes his big splash

At 12/31/2005 05:21:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

If anyone wants a satifying and stimulating immersion in the Khaddam affair I can recommend Anton Efendi's Across the Bay blog (linked right)and the other links he provides.

At 12/31/2005 06:03:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

This article posted above by Dr Josh is well worth reading (go to the link, it’s too messy here).

There's no doubt the brains of these ignorant and confused (and very dangerous) young Islamists or their mentors were moulded by “education” sponsored by the Saudi Royal family which has spent billions on this around the world since the 1970s.

It’s small consolation that they have now also turned around to sink their hot little fangs into the backsides of the Saudi ruling class.

Among its many other fatal stupidities, the Asad regime has also built a hothouse in which they flourish. As suggested in the article from the Financial Times posted at the end of the last comment thread here, such politicised Islamists are the inevitable outcome of the failure of bankrupt regimes to adopt genuine liberalisation and their attempts to prevent the emergence of secular alternatives to their rule.

It also says: “September 11 also introduced another vital change in US policy: a belated recognition that authoritarianism was a cause of religious extremism. As the US pressed its allies to democratise, Islamists have emerged again as the only organised opposition force.”

At 12/31/2005 06:19:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Excellent comment above by Activelistener!

At 12/31/2005 06:57:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

I am optimistic about the future of the region. Syria has an enormous potential ahead of it. I believe it has already hit bottom. The environment is ripe for a significant turn. America's interest in the region was the catalyst. The MidEast could not have been left alone any further. Something had to be changed. Authoritarianism, and more importantly, economic despair had to be reversed. America recognized this. The vast majority of Arabs are yet to do so.

At 12/31/2005 07:02:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

JAM..Did you offer us your ideal candidate and the practical mechanism through which he will make it to the Presidential Palace? With all due respect, we all know what is wrong today. What we need is a credible and working "solution"

At 12/31/2005 07:18:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...


If there is no apparent solution, this does not mean that I would like to get Syria back into the hands of even more corrupt people, people who Hafez Assad brought from obscurity or corruption courts to accompany him in his coup d'etat that survived until now. If such personalities that Hafez Assad saved from total humiliations beteen 1967-1970, and brought them to share power with him, because back then he could not find nor accept people with dignity to support him, and were allowed to be the big thieves that every body knew about even before he raised them from the dead, if such people are now persecuted by Bashar Assad, his son, it means to me that Bashar has been trying to get rid of them for 5 years, and now he did, and getting rid of them clears him in my eyes. He must be different than his father to have fought these insects.

So, yes, I would support Bashar if he cleans yup his prisons from Liberal and patriotic Syrians such as Ryad Seif, Homsi, and so on... He will do so, it seems to me.

If the most corrupt Khadam is speaking of corruption, forgetting himself, then something must be really right with Bashar right now.

Thank you.


At 12/31/2005 07:23:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

I think that you suggested Bashar as your own candidate. You seem to think that he is now ready to govern given that he got rid of the “insects”. To be candid with you and with all due respect, I am disappointed with your answer and your thought process.

At 12/31/2005 07:30:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

Interesting what Khaddam himself was insisting before he slithered off to Paris:

In a newspaper interview last year, [Khaddam] said that those who suggested changing the regime either did not understand that this would jeopardise the "stability of the state" or "serve the plans of foreign elements and of Israel".


At 12/31/2005 07:31:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

May I suggest a resolution for 2006?
Comments should mostly involve solutions and not just criticising what is wrong with the currrent status quo.

At 12/31/2005 07:32:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Well, he got rid of all of his father's men, it seems to me, and that took him 5 years. That is a revolution. Let's see what he will do from now on.

At 12/31/2005 07:37:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Hopefully not much. He does not exactly have a midas touch. Anything he has tried to do, has turned our to be a disaster. I think time is up!

At 12/31/2005 07:41:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

ehsani2, hey man, please don't be like that with your New Year resolutions. We can't have one without the other. And it is in analysis and criticism of the status quo that potential solutions emerge.

I for one have been learning a lot from your criticisms of the status quo.

Personally I think things in Damascus at the moment are whirring around too fast in the mixmaster to predict where, when and how a path forward (ie solutions) might start to be formed.

At 12/31/2005 09:48:00 PM, Blogger Yabroud said...

Fianlly Syria in the right path! The forces of good in Syria should welcome the latest step taken by Khadam for this is a step in the final stages of getting rid of those that polutted Syria, and played with Hafez Assad's mind putting him upfront while doing what they wished in Syria in terms of thefts and treasons. May be Hafez Assad, in his grave now realizes what a fool he was when the Saudis bought him back in the late 60's to serve the reactionary forces and to be the horse they rode for 30 years. It took his son 5 years to finally rid Syria of them, but..I hope this was not too late. Hopefully, Bashar will be smart enough to get world support soon. America should see the evil in Saudi Arabia and the reactionary Islamist mentality it is spreading across the retarded world, and even in the developped nations.

At 12/31/2005 11:13:00 PM, Blogger adonis syria said...

Like father like son,bashar's gang now limited to his family circle(maher,asef-boushra,rami) is not better than the former and even worse,such regimes can only survive through corruption ,murder and terror.

At 12/31/2005 11:19:00 PM, Blogger Yabroud said...

True, true...

but, let's hope they keep cleansing syria from the old timers...that will make it easier.

At 1/01/2006 02:00:00 AM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Active listner,
Okay, away goes the new resolution. You convinced me!

At 1/01/2006 06:04:00 AM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

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At 1/01/2006 07:32:00 AM, Blogger shamee27 said...

Jam said:So, yes, I would support Bashar if he cleans yup his prisons from Liberal and patriotic Syrians such as Ryad Seif, Homsi, and so on... He will do so, it seems to me.
Jma maybe you forgot that the majority of Asad political prisoners are what you call Islamists,what do you think Jam should Bashar free those as well or maybe they don't deserve freedom because they are calling for an Islamic state?!

At 1/01/2006 09:51:00 AM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Shamee27, I am for releasing all people who were jailed for their opinions.

People who were jailed for other reasons should be either presented to fair trials, or released. People who are released should be compensated, and their rights restored fully.


At 1/01/2006 10:47:00 AM, Blogger annie said...


Thank you for the elaph "fantastic" link; this is what I got :-(

"403 Forbidden
The following error occurred: Access denied by access control list.
Could not open error file "

Are you in Syria ?

At 1/01/2006 10:56:00 AM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Sorry for the link that apparently does not work in Syria. The Elaph site is puzzling, and am not sure to what political wing it belongs, vertainly it bring a lot of BS's at times. In Syria, you need to get tools to be able to access forbidden sites, and it is dangerous to do so.

However, this is the article:

ضياع العرب بين صدّام وخدّام
GMT 22:30:00 2005 السبت 31 ديسمبر
د. شاكر النابلسي


لا شك بأن حديث رأس السنة الجديدة الرئيسي في المجالس العربية، كان المقابلة التي أجرتها فضائية "العربية" مع نائب الرئيس السوري عبد الحليم خدّام. ولعل العرب لم يفرغوا من الحديث عن محاكمة صدّام حتى دخلوا بمحاكمة عبد الحليم خدّام بالخيانة العظمى التي دعا اليها مجلس الشعب السوري عقب المقابلة رأساً، كرد حاسم على ما قاله خدّام.

خدّام في مقابلته مع "العربية" قال تقريباً كل شيء عن النظام السوري. وما سيقوله غداً وما سيضيفه في المستقبل هو تفاصيل التفاصيل التي لا تهم كثيراً. وما قاله يعرفه الجميع، وليس بخافٍ على أحد في داخل سوريا وخارجها. والجديد فيما قيل، هو أنه بمثابة "اعتراف حرامية وجلادين" . وهو من قبل من اشتركوا في سرقة سوريا ولبنان بل كانوا من زعماء عصابة "علي بابا" الحرامية التي سرقت هذين البلدين، واستفادت من ثروة الحريري وقايضت السلطة اللبنانية بالمال الحريري.

كانت اعترافات خدّام في مقابلته مع "العربية" بمثابة اعترافات مومس، مارست البغاء السياسي طوال عمرها ولما أصبحت عجوزاً شمطاء تابت الى رب العالمين على ما يبدو، واعترفت بكل من كانوا يمارسون معها البغاء السياسي. وليس في ذلك بالأمر الجديد. وإذا كان هناك من جديد فهو جرأة وشجاعة المومس على الاعتراف بخطاياها. علماً بان خدّام حتى الآن لم يعترف بخطاياه الكبيرة في مساهمته واشتراكه في قرار وفعل التنكيل بالمعارضة السورية، وقتل المعارضة السورية واللبنانية، والتنكيل بالمثقفين. ولعل ما تمَّ في "ربيع دمشق" وغيره من فصول الربيع السورية السابقة التي لم تظهر الى الوجود وتمَّ اعدامها في مهدها، ومصادرة الحريات، والاستحقاقات الديمقراطية، في عهد حافظ الأسد وبشار الأسد، والسكوت على الفساد، ونهب الثروات السورية اللبنانية، ودفن النفايات النووية في صحراء تدمر.. الخ. لأكبر دليل على أن خدّام لم يكن بالسياسي السوري الشريف الذي يذرف الدمع اليوم على الإصلاح السوري، وعلى مذبح الحرية والديمقراطية السورية.

اتهام خدّام بالخيانة العظمى من قبل مجلس الشعب السوري اتهام صحيح، وحق، وفي محله.
فخدّام خانة أمانة الفساد في سوريا، وفضح هذا الفساد، فهو الخائن الأعظم.
وخدّام خان أمانة الأسرار السياسية تجاه مقتل الحريري، وأشار بأصابع الاتهام الى النظام السوري، فهو الخائن الأعظم.
وخدّام خان أمانة الأسرار المالية لأركان النظام وهو من أركان هذا النظام، وكشف عن سرقاتهم في لبنان، فهو الخائن الأعظم.
وخدّام كان المسؤول العربي الكبير والنافذ الوحيد في التاريخ العربي الحديث الذي فضح المستور العربي بهذه الجرأة والشجاعة، فكان الخائن الأعظم.
وكان حكم مجلس الشعب السوري عليه حكماً سورياً شعبياً رسمياً عادلاً.
فماذا نتوقع من مجلس كهذا أن يفعل، تجاه هذه القنبلة النووية السياسية التي ألقاها خدّام في أكبر ميادين دمشق؟
هل كنا ننتظر من مجلس الشعب السوري، أن يقيم له تمثالاً، ويكتب على قاعدته: هذا هو أيو الحرية السورية. وهذا هو مشعل الديمقراطية السورية؟

لو كان خدّام سياسياً شريفاً، لما قبل كل هذه الهدايا والعطايا والمطايا من الحريري ومن الزعماء اللبنانيين الآخرين مقابل تفويت ما فات.
لو كان خدّام سياسياً شريفاً، وأراد أن يدخل التاريخ العربي السوري كواحد من دعاة الإصلاح لما تورّط طيلة ثلاثين عاماً وأكثر كلاعب أساسي في نظام الحكم السوري الديكتاتوري، الذي أنزل الكوارث بسوريا ولبنان معاً.
لو كان خدّام سياسياً شريفاً، لأعلن منذ اليوم الأول ومنذ ثلاثين عاماً، بأن سوريا بدأت تغرق في مستنقع الفقر والفساد والبطالة والطغيان والديكتاتورية، ونهب ثروات لبنان.
فهل من شافع يشفع له طوال فترة ثلاثين عاماً من الحكم الديكتاتوري التسلطي والقمعي؟
وهل هذه المقابلة في فضائية "العربية" هي المطهر الذي يمكن أن يطهر خدّام من كل الكوارث والخطايا الكبرى التي شارك فيها، ولحقت بسوريا ولبنان؟


خدّام كتاجر سياسي سوري محنّك وحاذق ويعرف متى يدخل في اللعبة ومتى يخرج منها، كان أذكى بكثير من صدّام حسين الذي انتظر حتى الثانية الأخيرة، فهُدم المعبد على رأسه.
لم ينتظر خدّام تلك اللحظة الأخيرة وهو يرى حجارة وحوائط المعبد السياسي السوري تتهاوى الواحد بعد الآخر تحت الضربات الدولية حيناً، وتحت الضربات اللبنانية والعربية الناعمة حيناً آخر.
خدّام كان لديه حدس سياسي ثعلبي. وكان جُحره بعدة مخارج، يستطيع الهروب منها. وهذا ما حصل، حتى لا ينتهي في نهاية المطاف في الجُحر العنكبوتي الذي انتهى اليه صدّام.


ما الفرق بين صدّام وخدّام؟
كلاهما سجّان، وكلاهما جلاد، وكلاهما سارق، وكلاهما فاسد، وكلاهما ألحق الخراب والدمار بوطنه وشعبه.
الفرق بين خدّام وصدّام، أن خدّام كان الجلاد الناعم من وراء الستار، وصدّام كان الجلاد الفظّ القاسي الجبار.
صدّام كان بهيماً سياسياً، لا يعرف غير طريق واحدة يسلكها، وكان أجهل العرب بالسياسة وفنونها ومسالكها. لذا فهو لم يسمع لأحد، ولم يستجب لأحد في تجنب الحرب والسقوط في الهاوية، كما حصل فجر التاسع من نيسان 2003.
صدّام كان عبارة عن سلطان عثماني رجعي جلاد، ذي عقل يابس، وطبيعة متحجرة.
خدّام كان لحافظ الأسد بمثابة الداهية عمرو بن العاص لمعاوية بين أبي سفيان.
صدّام لم يكن لديه عمرو بن العاص. ولو ظهر له ابن العاص لقتله!
وكما كان عمرو بن العاص سبباً غير مباشر في مقتل الإمام علي، كان خدّام سبباً غير مباشر في مقتل الحريري كذلك.
خدّام كان ثعلباً سياسياً شبع من الحريري وغيره من اللبنانيين الطامعين في كراسي الحكم، وهو اليوم يزيد شبعه شبعاً وتخمته تخمةً على مائدة هذه المقابلة ومقابلات أخرى ربما ستأتي، يقول فيها كلاماً متأخراً جداً بعد أن انفضَّ السامر، ودقّت الساعة، وانشقَّ القمر، وأصبح الإعصار على الأبواب.
لقد ضحك خدّام على الموتى والأحياء معاً.
وضاع العرب بين صدّام وخدّام؛ أي بين حانا ومانا. وهو ما يقال في المثل الشعبي العربي :
بين حانا ومانا ضيّعنا لحانا.
ويا ليت الأمر توقف عند ضياع لحانا فقط؟

At 1/01/2006 11:09:00 AM, Blogger shamee27 said...

I read this on Al3rabia website i would like to share it with you.

"اريخ /عبد الحليم خدام /منذ نشأته إلى اليوم يعطي فكرة عن راتبه سنة 1960 وثروته الآن وممتلكاته ولو كان يخاف على الشعب السوري من الأكل من حاويات القمامة لكان باع جزء من ثروته لأشباعهم أن أبنة جمال أي حفيدته قد تزوجت من أخ سعدان الحربري منذ فترة قريبة وأنه شريك في مشروع سوليدير و الخليوي اللبناني وشريك في بنك سعودي وبنك يملكه الحريريومساهم في مشروع بناء برجي عملاق في السعودية له قصور بلودان, ماربيا. باريس.دمشق . نيس . جدة . الرياض .شرم الشيخ.الباصية ببانياس له أراضي في القنيطرة وبانياس و بلودان وريف دمشق /يعفور/وفلل في مشروع دمر/شاطى الأزرق/قرى الأسد/ يملك شركة كوكاكولا سورية. سلسلة المطاعم لا نوازيت , معمل معجنات وباتسيري يملك شركة الشام للأنتاج الفني ويملك شركة معارض وأعلانات وكالة باتشي للشوكولا.له مجلة مرايا يملك أكبر شركة كمبيوتر في سورية بالأضافة لشركة صخر العربية وشركة أزياء أخذ منزل مساحتة 800 متر من أصحابه في ساحة لروضة بوضع اليد وهي منطقة في دمشق غالية الثمن حاول دفن النفايات النووي الفرنسية في تدمر وقد نجاه الرئيس الخالد لأبنه من حكم الأعدام كان جهاد أبنه يشكل عصابة مافيا لسرقة السيارات من وألى لبنان و التهريب الى سورية يملك معمل للمعلبات /عافية / أجبر الجيش السوري على عقد مفتوح لشراء منتجها يملك عدة بواخر تجارية ونفطية وأحد ممولي سورية بالسكر والأرز أجباريا يسيطر على عائدات مصفاة بانياس البترولية يملك مرفأ خاص حتى سنة 2002 على شاطئ بانياس وكان يقوم عبره بتهريب المخدرات والأسلحة والدخان واللأدوية إن أملاكه من العقارات على الشاطئ السوري فقط في طرطوس تفوق كل ما ذكره من ملايين الدولارات. إضافة إلىأمتلاكه يختين مايا1 _ مايا2 يملك في السعودية معمل الكفوف الطبية الذي يملكه الدكتور جمال.معمل البلاستيك .شركة خدمات الموبايل الإضافية حاصل على الجنسية الفرنسية و المشيخةالسعودية هذا هو شريف مكة، وعذرا يا مكة المكرمة حبيبة القلب والعقل ولكن هذا تعبير شامي لأنه ليس أهل أن يكون شريف مكة المكرمة. يرجى النشر يا منبر الحرية...


At 1/01/2006 11:27:00 AM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Is this a normal country? It is the morning after. Not a single reference to the Khddam bombshell in any of the official newspapers. The vast majority of Syrians watched the interview. They saw their representatives accuse the man of high treason. The newspapers that are available for them to read had nothing to say. As the accusations of corruption continue to be leveled against Khaddam, does anyone dare mention how every single other Baath and security official or Assad family member bought their owns houses, farms, cars, jewelry? I guess if one owns a house worth $40 million in a foreign capital it must be a scandal, but if you happened to own one, two or three in Damascus for a nominal value of $ 2 million then it is acceptable? As the accusations against Khaddam fly, does anyone dare bring the names of Rami, Tlas, Kaddoura, etc etc etc? Does anyone also dare mention how much money existed at Basel’s Swiss accounts at the time of death? Ladies and Gentlemen, Is this a normal country? Everyone that is barking at Khaddam’s millions need to ask himself first about his own Billions, and hundreds of millions. The country treats Assad senior as God. His speeches and words are treated with more respect than the words of Jesus or the prophet. We are now told that one of his closest advisors stole millions of Dollars and dumped nuclear waste in the country’s desert. The President at the time had the ultimate Power and authority. He insisted that even university professors could only be appointed unless he personally signed off. His security services had the ability to know what each of us ate for breakfast, lunch and dinner. We are now asked to assume that Khaddam carried out all theses deeds without the knowledge of the Assad family. The above links and many that will surely follow list in detail all the businesses that this man owns. They now tell us that he has his own port to smuggle goods in and out of the country. Did “they” just find this out? This man sat next to the current President for five years. Are we to believe that he knew nothing about these excesses? I presume that only when you defect and attack your master would facts be allowed to become public. What an incredible show? Is this a normal country? The issue of nuclear waste was brought out on Al-Jazeera few years ago. The same people brining it up now vehemently denied it and accused the person who brought it up of treason. Is this a normal country? I cannot take this anymore. I cannot take the insults to the intelligence of 20 million people any longer. This is the biggest and longest fraud that has been inflicted on a country. Not even Africa has seen the likes of this nightmare. We are now 43 years into this Baath party rule. No country has seen more corruption, stealing, and misallocation of resources, deterioration, loss of economic potential than this historically proud nation. Damascus is the oldest known capital in civilization. To be reduced to this is the biggest travesty of civilization itself. Shockingly, people still want to give these leaders more time to introduce so-called reforms. I think the country is in desperate need for a nuclear bomb that hits all its Presidential and Government buildings. This way the next person can start from ground zero. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is not a normal country. It is a freak of civilization.

At 1/01/2006 12:09:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

""The country treats Assad senior as God.""

Of course, that was the whole plan! It was Saudi Arabia, through Khadam that bought Hafez Assad and put him in the fore front and made him believe his super natural power and superior intelligence while he was nothing but a pawn, and Khadam, most probably was the engine behind the scene. Now, after Bashar's 5 years work to get rid of these insects, we want to return Khadam as a hero?

Thank you

At 1/01/2006 01:35:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Saudi Arabia and Khaddam brought Hafez Assad to power, used him as pawn while they were the engine behind the scenes.
The brilliant Bashar discovered the plot and used the past five years to dismantle it. Khaddam wants his engine job back now. Please tell me this posting was a joke. I am simply flabbergasted

At 1/01/2006 01:54:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Well, Hafez Assad was described as one of the richest men in the world, exactly one year after his "correctional movement" by the BBC world news back then. Syria saw an influx of Saudi money that Assad back then was able to show the people prosperity with. The Saudi money never stopped coming to him, and Rifaat became relative to the Saudi Royal family in the late 60's, before the coup.

Bashar did not discover anything, and even if he did, he would not be against his father. Let's say that Shawkat got in the middle, and Shawkat's opinion drove the country into a different direction than that wished by Khadam, and his ilks, especially in foreign relations. Something happened inside the regime that this regime went back to talks that dominated the 60's, talks that Hafez Assad and Khadam have overthrown by their coup in 1960. It is strange, but it is the reality we see. The language the regime of Bashar Assad that is being used now is so similar to the one that his father overthrew. Something deeply disturbed the balaqnce that had existed between the old guard, and I mean the men of his father, and the new power centers that Bashar entrusted slowly during the past 5 years. Yes, Bashar has now gotten rid of all of his father's men, among them was this snake, Khadam.

Is Khadam now your awaited hero? Will you want him to lead a coup? Do you want him to cleanse Syria ?

I do trust Bashar more than him, but I wish for a different kind of change than the coming back of thieves and criminals as the saviours, and the forgiveness of their crimes by the masses of powerless masses of people. I do not forgive this man, and will not ever.


At 1/01/2006 02:27:00 PM, Blogger KarimHalab said...

Are you telling us now that Hafez Assad was merely a puppet in Khadam’s hands?? I think I’m missing something here. Was he or not the ultimate leader? If not, then why do you hat him so much, he was just a tool finally, no? And honest and genius Bashar is the awaited Messiah to clean up the mess evil Khadam and company put in place while the gullible Hafez was playing along without even realizing it? Come on brother please!

Of course Khadam is not the “awaited hero”, but we need change. We need to be pragmatic, Bashar did nothing to move the country forward, I personally was a support of this guy and saw in him the “hope”; just as his security chieftains have fed our brains, but what was the result? You “wish for a different kind of change”, such as what? Please share it with us. No rosy dreams, but based on reality and the restraints that unfortunately exist (domestic and international) how do you see the change to come, seriously!
Nonone on this forum is suggesting that Khadam is "Da Man" or the reincarnation of the Prophet!! Far from this, but with all his traits (bad or good), he does provide an alternative (a credible one) to the status quo (that you do not support if I understand you correctly). The question that Ehsani asked (and all the other Syrians too)is the folowing: according to you (or your vision of things), and given the current constraints (internal power balances, international and regional condiserations, and all other realistic ingredients that create or destroy a political administration) who/what do you propose?
-Assads? (the point is getting rid of them)
-Khadam (not "man" enough)
-MBs (you seem more supportive of a secular administration)
-the pre-Assad people? (either dead or in jail or out of hte game)
-Ghadry? (I can't recall your stand on him)

Who exactly (and more importantly realistically) do you suggest/support?

One the traits of the Syrian personality (or malformation as you presented it), is the automatic rejection of propositions without offering any alternative. Why not try being a little pragmatic vs idealistic and going nowhere? I'd love to hear your program or vision of things, and not the idealistic one, we all have these and they do not differ too much, but how do you think we should get there - bearing in mind the realities of this world? This is not only a question to JAM, but to all.

At 1/01/2006 02:47:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

JAM is very right to have no forgivess for Khaddam for all his years of thievery. No Syrian should. But Khadam being the engine behind the scene the whole time? Come on JAM--do you even believe yourself??

Ehsani says that how could they have not known about Khaddam's excesses beforehand? Of course the regime knew of his excesses. But I believe the elder Assad purposely condoned excesses by all of his ministers and advisers for two simple reasons:

1. If any one of them decided to go against the regime, they can rightfully be accused of stealing from the country and hence will lose all credibility. We see this exact scenerio happening today, I believe just how Hafez planned for.
2. Letting them have excesses keeps them happy plain and simple. If you look at the history of coup and counter coup in the pre-assad era, this factor becomes very important. It ensures stabilty.

I fear what happened with Khaddam is that the man ate and ate and ate and simply became full. He moved his family and possessions to France and finally looked in the mirror and said well I am secure enough now with my riches, let me speak out. I think Khaddam should absolutely be applauded for speaking out. But he has in no way put his livlihood on the line so he is no hero or savior and his past sins and theft cannot be forgiven either. What I fear, is that with this thief gone because he is 'full', 10 other younger thiefs will simply take his place. They are anything but full and eager to repeat the cycle of theft all over again. So I beg and pray for the cycle to be broken. A system of accountability must be set up.

So of course this is not a normal country if you consider normal to be USA. If you speak out of corruption against people currently in power, you will be thrown in jail. This is reality Ehsani. Ask Reid Seif about what happens when you question Rami Makhlouf.

So Ehsani asks "Did “they” just find this out?" Who is "they"? Well last time I checked sir, "they" includes you. And me. And the millions of others that know perfectly well what is going on, but do not have the guts to try to shock the system. "They" are too entrenched with their own interests, whether it means keeping a stable country at a cost of excess, keeping money-making business moving or keeping alive or staying out of jail, to do anything about it.

Blogging about corruption is one thing and a good step, but completely different in consequence to trying to change things by calling out in the street. I am sitting comfortably in my chair with no fear of being arrested, being jailed, being tortured. I do not have what it takes yet to do anything greater. So until the day any of us actually put our own livlihood at stake, we are all in the same "they" boat--the silent yet knowing masses

Our country needs leaders that will lead these masses in calling out against this corruption--this outright theft. This outright incompetence of regime officials in foreign and domestic issues. But alas, individuals getting thrown in jail do not help much. That looks like the status quo. What would be better would be for people with credibility that put their livlihoods on the line for their country, who build popular bases of support first. People who can lead the masses and demand a change. Sadly I don't see these people willing to make a principled stand, even with this unprecedented external pressure coming from the American admin--something we may not see ever again.

“We must be the change we wish to see in the world.” Ghandi

“Without struggle, there is no progress.” Frederick Douglas

At 1/01/2006 03:03:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Ok, ok...let's be pragmatic!

Who was worse in the past 5 years, Khadam, or Bashar Assad?

We have been asking Bashar Assad since 2000 to get rid of his father's men...Finally, he was able to, and he just did it, very recently. Do we say: No no no...return your father's men?

I am puzzled at how easy we forgive and forget. Do we not remember that it Was Khadam who played the biggest role in imprisonning the men of Damascus Spring?

Let's be realistic; now you want us to choose between Bashar and Khadam..

In my case, I believe Bashar took long, but finally he got rid of his father's men, and that is good enough for me now. I will wait and see how far he will go in restanlishing his credientials now that he is without his father's evil men.

Or, do we want Khada, that big thief, and opportunist and every thing else to save us? Are we foolish?

At 1/01/2006 03:31:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

Go Engineeringchange! What a great statement.

Everyone involved with the Asad regime is damaged goods. They have eagerly inhaled a poisonous gas that has flooded their brain, destroyed their soul. There are no winners anywhere.

Here’s another quote, this one from Nelson Mandela: "I am not truly free if I am taking away someone else's freedom, just as surely as I am not free when my freedom is taken from me. The oppressed and the oppressor alike are robbed of their humanity."

At 1/01/2006 04:16:00 PM, Blogger KarimHalab said...

Allow me to rephrase a question: If Khadam-Shihabi made it to power, how worse could this combination be than the current Assad-Shawkat ticket?

At 1/01/2006 04:33:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

If not now, then when?
Bloggers like us indeed pause no threat. We only take satisfaction from reading ourselves write. In most cases, intelligent sounding words too. But words and blogs do not change regimes. Tanks do. Barring the U.S. army walking the streets of Damascus, there is no way for Khaddam or anyone else to topple this regime. For now, a legal trap is being contemplated as an alternative. It is mostly referred to as changing the regime on the cheap. Were Khaddam to act as a prime witness to the investigation (almost a given now), Bashar himself is now sucked into this black hole. Is it possible for this alone to lead to regime change? I believe it is still unlikely. Bashar and company will fight for their lives. In the end, no matter what happens, we must see this as a positive for the nation. The country is finally discussing what seemed unthinkable few years ago. The arrival of the American army to the region has changed the existing equilibrium. Majority rule is now the clear winner when it comes to the region. The Assad rule does not fit this new framework. In fact, it fits no rule and no purpose any longer. It has especially lost its usefulness and purpose for its own people. In reality, it never had a single purpose other than steal, lie, steal more and lie more. The genie is now out of the bottle and the emperor has run out of clothes.

At 1/01/2006 04:48:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Just a note relating to a previous question regarding if Hafez Assad was the master of all or there was some one behind the scene; let me say this: The old establishment in Syria, combined with the Saudi money, and Soviet and American Interests at the time collided with Salah Jedid wing and that all worked in favor of Hafez Assad coming to power. Simply he was lured with wealth and power, and money was layed down to his advantage to play with and show Syrians at the begining the advantage of the so called back then " the politcs of overture", and "Reform" that even other countries including the Soviet Union later immitated: "Glassnos and Perastroika". The Soviet Union back then could not afford a regime in the ME that did not listen to its dictations in the , for fear of collision with the US, and the US was pressing the Soviet Union to stop the policies of the Jedid wing, and so, every thing played in Hafez Assad favor. Assad was lured by money, prestige, probably transforming Syria into the Assad kingdom, Hafez Assad betrayed his friends and put them in jail until they died. Why did they choose Hafez Assad and not Khadam or some one else? They needed the cheap sectarian loyalty from a minority in Syria, and Assad was able to play it. FOr since 1967, he made his brother Rifaat form Saraya Al Difaa 100% from Alawis, paying them special salaries and giving them power. His other brother Jamil established Al Rida Alawite Association for the first time in Syria and was calling openely for Alawi power. This all did not go well with the Jadid faction, but Jadid had lost already his manoeuvering power in the military, having made the mistake of resigning his military position back in 1964, even prior to the 1966 coup. Jedid had General Sweidani as his ally in the military who held the position of Chief of Staff, but due to sectarian loyalties to Assad, he lost to him, and ran away from Syria at first fearing assassination. So the sectarian loyalty and the unique position that Assad had in the army made it convenient for Khadam and his Saudi allies to arrange the 1967-1970 coups that finally succeeded completly in 1970 after brillant manoeuvres by Assad and who ever was allied with him. Khadam could not provide what Assad provided to the Saudis, and Khadam could not have established a regime with such stability without the sectarian loyalties that Assad brought with him, and so, Assad was given all kinds of support, and was pomped to believe himself as Saladin, he was given cards they told him he controlled such as what they called "regional cards" that we see now that it was so easy to take back or strip his son of, but Hafez thought he was genius, and he was happy to play the role that was designed for him in the Middle East. Was he really that genius? Was he really that powerful? Was he really serving Syria? Was he far from the Saudi influence? Did he serve Israel, knowingly or unkowingly? Let me ask you; why would the Saudi who are Sunnis and whose Wahabi faith in their web site call Alawis as more infidels than Jews or Christians and states the Fatwa by Imam Iben Taimeih making it desirable to kill all Alawis and to take their properties, support an Alawi as the president of Syria? It was a deal between Assad who was lured, and the Saudi and others who wanted an end to the leftist regime of Jedid. Assad was put in the fore front, and he benefitted, of course along with his family, but not alone, and among the biggest beneficiaries were Khadam, Tlas, Shehabi, etc....among Sunnis, and I had said much earlier that all of these Sunnis will be forgiven while all Alawis, beneficiaries or not are accused of corruption, or crimes, etc...and they are the continous of talks in the Islamic Web sites all over the Internet.

Today we see that Khadam has been forgiven by Islamists in their web sites. Just check that.


Just think !

At 1/01/2006 05:24:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

activelisters thats a quality and very true quote by mandela--i have added it to my collection! (I think it also applies very well to the Israel/Palestine situation!)

At 1/01/2006 05:30:00 PM, Blogger ActiveListener said...

ehsani2, a response on the value of blogs and what changes regimes.

In countries from Kenya to Malaysia to Russia and Iran, internet discussion groups are playing an exciting and very significant role in nurturing the budding shoots of public opinion, helping people develop their thinking and awareness and share information.

Like nothing before them they are filling the stagnant vacuum created by state control of media and punishment of political debate. So that if the tanks roll in, there will be informed pockets of thinking on what's wrong and what to do next.

Don't underestimate the power and long-term influence of today's web discussion groups. Authoritarian governments don't, which is why they are always shutting them down.

At 1/01/2006 05:52:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

I wish I was as optimistic as you are. But you could be right.


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