Friday, January 20, 2006

"Defining Post-Syria Lebanon" by Michael Young

Riad Seif, the imprisoned member of parliament, who was freed yesterday after almost five years in jail said on al-Jazeera TV that he believes that the Assad regime cannot be reformed and that regime change is the only option available to Syrians.

Here is a fine article by Michael Young summing up the "two visions" of Lebanon that are dividing Shiite from Sunni, and indeed the rest of Lebanon.

PolicyWatch #1070
A Tale of Two Countries: Defining Post-Syria Lebanon

By Michael Young
January 20, 2006

When Shiite ministers recently “suspended” their participation in the Lebanese cabinet, though without resigning, it highlighted an increasingly apparent reality in post-Syria Lebanon: Two powerful camps coexist today. One, led by Hizballah, in alliance with the Amal movement, sits atop a Shiite community generally, though not unanimously, supporting their positions. The other reflects a cross-communal parliamentary majority, the cornerstone of which is the Sunni-led Future Movement of Saad Hariri, son of the murdered former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq Hariri.
This dichotomy is imperfect. Beyond sectarian affiliation, other fault lines divide the political actors, most importantly their attitude toward Syria. However, since the Syrian military withdrawal in April 2005, it would be fair to say that Lebanon is being buffeted by two broad visions for the future, and that the sectarian backdrop to this contest is mainly Sunni-Shiite, not Muslim-Christian, which was the main divide before Lebanon’s civil war began in 1975.

Two Visions for Post-Syria Lebanon

The Hariri vision is based on the classic urban merchant ideal, in which Lebanon is to be transformed into a liberal investment hub pursuing unhindered transactions with the West and the Arab world. Muslims and Christians must coexist in friendship, though the conservatism pervading this approach means the dictates of sectarianism are respected. Relations with Israel are to be governed by the 1949 Armistice Agreement, but no permanent agreement can be signed before all the Arab states accept peace. Proponents of this vision want the truth about who killed Rafiq Hariri, believe the Syrian regime was responsible, and have few qualms about seeing Damascus punished, whatever that means for regional stability. This vision is not strictly a Sunni one, but Sunnis are its main proponents and believe it embodies the values of the late prime minister.

The downside, and a potentially serious one, is that very different Sunni groups coexist under the Hariri “big tent.” Rafiq Hariri always highlighted the urbane moderation of his vision, but he could never completely conceal that, as a strong Sunni leader, he also appealed to radical Sunni Islamists and a Sunni underclass, both more likely to think in harsher sectarian terms than the pragmatists Hariri preferred to advertise.

Against this stands another vision, associated with the two Shiite parties—Hizballah and, far more ambiguously, the depleted Amal movement. This outlook is characterized by mistrust of the West, particularly the United States, and a desire to pursue the armed struggle against Israel, both in Lebanon and the Palestinian Authority. Proponents of this vision emphasize that Shiites have always staunchly defended Lebanese nationalism, have never cut deals with the outside, and proved their bona fides by expelling the Israelis in 2000. They refuse to regard Syria as an enemy, and recall that it was under the Syrians that Shiites were first given a prominent role in Lebanese political life. Economically, the parties oppose deep privatization of public utilities. Shiite employment in state institutions has been the paramount instrument of communal promotion in recent years. For poor Shiites, Hariri’s “merchant republic” offered few inducements. Even spatially, the community is concentrated in areas far from the rebuilt city center—the jewel in the crown of Hariri’s reconstruction of Beirut.

Many Shiites embrace this outlook, and specifically back Hizballah because, for the first time after decades of marginalization, the community is respected. No more ideological than others, Shiites nonetheless regard Hizballah’s militancy a badge of honor, and a legitimate lever with which to demand more in intersectarian bargaining. That is why they feel that UN efforts to disarm Hizballah will merely weaken their community once again. This dovetails with Hizballah’s own fear that, without weapons, it would be just another sectarian organization, forced to abandon its towering ambition to be a regional vanguard in the struggle against Israel and the United States. Arms also allow Hizballah to fulfill an implicit contract with Iran, whereby its threat to Israel from southern Lebanon can help deter an Israeli attack against Iranian nuclear facilities. Neither the party nor its supporters sees a contradiction between Hizballah’s claim to be a guardian of Lebanese sovereignty and its alliances with Iran and Syria.

Goodbye Syria; Hello What?

Even before Syrian soldiers began pulling out of Lebanon, that prestidigitator of Lebanese minority politics, Druze leader Walid Jumblatt, had grasped that the aftermath would be shaped by the struggle between the Hariri camp and Hizballah—between Sunnis and Shiites. That is why he sought to mediate between the two, hoping to enhance his own authority. The practical impact of this was Jumblatt’s engineering of a consensus around a controversial law governing parliamentary elections in summer 2005. The law gerrymandered districts so that Hizballah and Amal could maintain large blocs in the 128-seat parliament, despite the Syrian departure, while Jumblatt and Hariri expanded their sway.

The initial losers were the Christians, whose most powerful politician, Michel Aoun, was left out of the deal. However, the angry backlash in the Christian community was such that Aoun, who had just returned from exile, swept all seats in the Christian heartland, establishing his own substantial bloc. Aoun has tried to remain nonaligned in the Hariri-Hizballah faceoff, but his electors deeply mistrust Hizballah’s relationship with Syria, compelling him to strengthen his ties with the Hariri-Jumblatt alliance.

After the elections, Jumblatt’s strategy was to continue collaborating with the Shiites in a new government. The Druze leader induced the inexperienced Hariri to approve the re-election of Amal leader Nabih Birri as speaker of parliament, though Birri had been a main prop of Syrian hegemony. And when Hariri’s associate, Fouad Siniora, formed a government, he made sure Hizballah and Amal received key portfolios—the first time Hizballah entered the cabinet. However, this was an unnatural marriage. Soon, the compromise between the Hariri-Jumblatt camp and Hizballah and Amal turned into a virtual divorce.

The professed reason was passage, by a cabinet majority vote led by Hariri’s and Jumblatt’s ministers, of a decision asking the UN to form a tribunal “with an international coloring” to try those responsible for Rafiq Hariri’s murder. Hizballah and Amal, at least publicly, declined to sanction the decision and suspended their participation in cabinet sessions. In fact, the dispute went deeper, capping a period of palpable tension as Hizballah and Amal refused to adopt positions that might harm Syria. Damascus fears an international or mixed tribunal because it would have the power to convict Syrians, without the Syrian regime’s being able to control the outcome. The Shiite ministers were also displeased with Siniora’s running of cabinet sessions, where he often outmaneuvered them. He understood they could not resign, since Hizballah views its participation in the government as institutional cover to resist surrendering its arms.

Deadlock prevails to this day, with no clear sign when a solution might be forthcoming. Hizballah sought to make Hariri back an agreement that would have traded a Shiite return to the cabinet for Hariri’s approval of a resolution defending against the party’s disarmament. Hariri, rejected this, spurred on by the versatile Jumblatt, who, after failing to break Hizballah away from Syria, became the party’s most vociferous critic.

No consensus exists on a vision for Lebanon. Hizballah’s strategic alliances with Syria and, more significantly, Iran make improbable a serious dialogue on disarmament, which the party’s leaders consider an existential threat. Nor does Hizballah feel an urge to compromise, since it retains support among Shiites. The Hariri-Jumblatt tandem, in turn, controls a slight majority in parliament, but suffers from the physical absence of Saad Hariri, who lives outside Lebanon, fearing assassination. Moreover, Hariri is said to be under pressure from the Saudis to be more conciliatory with Syria, since Riyadh does not want events in Lebanon to destabilize the Syrian regime. The sectarian contours of the Hariri-Hizballah rivalry are sharpening, and while violence remains unlikely, the fight for Lebanon’s soul will continue for some time to come.

Michael Young is opinion editor of Lebanon’s Daily Star newspaper and a contributing editor at Reason magazine.


At 1/20/2006 12:17:00 PM, Blogger Metaz K. M. Aldendeshe said...

It is time for Syrians to stand up and demand from this evil, corrupt and immorally incompetent United Nation Syrian rights to the Golan and compensation for Sharon destruction of the city of Konaitra.

Now that we got this Iranian-Syrian alliance cemented. Time to focus on getting the Golan back. We need to start a massive program to mobilize the Arab and Islamic world street, even Russian and Europeans against Israeli illegal occupation and the worthless U.N. to enforce implementation of internationally agreed upon 30 years old resolutions.


We should also focus on Israel Nuclear weapons. These weapons are threat to the world and Israel is in violation of 1000s of United Nation Resolutions. Israel must open it’s nuclear installation for inspection and be under control regiment to audit past, present and future operation of it’s nuclear reactor and the whole program.

The Human Rights violations are appalling and have been also the subject of 1000's of condemnations and resolutions by the United Nations, International Right Orgs and the World decent countries.

Many of Israel leaders faces Criminal genocide prosecution in several European countries and are on the wanted list of few of them.

Why are the world ignoring these violations by the Jews in Israel? We must work on highlighting and bringing these U.N. and International violation to the surface and forefront of our struggle globally. The Foreign ministry in Syria is not doing good enough job and neither the Ambassadors.

It is time for President Assad to prepare a campaign that is effective in securing worldwide support for the return of the Golan by imposing global economic and Diplomatic sanctions on Israel, until it fulfill these resolutions and address human right issues.

We must set up media and action funds to finance these worldwide campaigns and expose these Jewish transgressions on our Syrian People and Nation.

The question is today what President Assad is going to do about the Golan? Please have this addressed tomorrow. We are ready to help Syria launch a worldwide campaign to secure our rights and expose the enemy transgressions.


Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe
Syrian Republican Party
Committed to bring dignity to Syria

At 1/20/2006 12:59:00 PM, Blogger norman said...

Amen to all what you said Dandashe.

At 1/20/2006 01:16:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

According to SANA, Bashar's speech on saturday will deal with the Syrian-Lebanese relations and cooperation with the UN probe into the killing of Hariri.

At 1/20/2006 01:17:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

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At 1/20/2006 01:18:00 PM, Blogger Joe M said...

What do you think it means that, according to the Boston Globe, "Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced yesterday that she plans to dramatically restructure the US diplomatic presence around the world, redeploying hundreds of diplomats from Europe and Washington to developing countries including China, India, Lebanon, and Nigeria over the next five years."?

I can understand the need for less diplomats in places like France and Germany, and more diplomats in large developing countries like China, India and Nigeria, but why Lebanon?

My guess is that this is part of the attempt to destabilize Syria. The USA already has its biggest embassy and CIA base in Iraq, as well as various military bases, but upgrading the CIA station and diplomatic mission in Lebanon reminds me very much of what happened in the Civil War days. Where Lebanon became the battle ground for everyone else's wars. In this case, though I am unclear what shape it will take, I assume that they are increasing their staff there because they fully plan to take Syria down and will use Lebanon as a partial base for operations.

What do you think? Did that strike you as odd? That her entire speech was about how their staff is over worked in huge countries like China, yet she managed to include Lebanon in the mix even though they don't have more then 4 million people, and an already large embassy at that.

Just wondering.


At 1/20/2006 01:30:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

"Defining Post-Syria Lebanon" by Michael Young

"POST".... Keep on dreaming Young, just like the stupid Israelis who were kicked out by Hizbullah when the party was less than 10% of it's current strength.

Lebanon will always be part of Syria and never in any relation with the Jews outside comprehensive Middle East settlement that must include compensations and right of return of all refugees. Get it straight into your heads, especially Druze Chieftain Jumblat.

Those flying American jets supplied to the Jews in Israel, whatever they called F-whatever. They better stop violating Lebanon Air Space. This intimidation acts are no longer funny. If those National Lebanese Forces (the one that are not paid by the Saudis, Hariri and Israel) will need means to stop this intimidation or a mean to retaliate for any violation of Lebanon air space, you can contact the Agha office at his hometown in Tripoly. Check out a website of his company

At 1/20/2006 03:05:00 PM, Blogger majedkhaldoon said...

First I want to give my big support for Dandashe, what he said is what we like and hope, however we need to make extraoedinary effort, practically almost impossible, since USA controls along with england and france, they control the UN, reform of the UN is what we need,first,and it is impossible. the division between sunni and shiites in Lebanon is very harmful for us, and no solution till the regime in Syria change, even that will weaken Hizb Allah, which we dont want, it is needed for the resistant to continue, in fact Isreal stands to benefit from this division, and that is why Isreal wants the regime in Syria to stay.
Lebanon alway need someone to lean toward, either Syria or France, but France will never send troops to Lebanon, and Usa is only temporary help to Lebanon, since they were burned in the past, and you cant seperate lebanon from syria, the people in both countries are one people ,in two countries, I am strongly against exchanging ambasodres infact Syria must close the jordanian embassy, in Damascus, and withdraw our embassy from Jordan, we are one country.

At 1/20/2006 03:27:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

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At 1/20/2006 03:31:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...


The U.S. is indeed in the process of starting a new embassy in Beirut at a cost of close of $100 million. The project is due to start around March 2007. Remember that they already started a $500 million structure in Baghdad.
There is no question that this is part of a long term strategic move.

At 1/20/2006 03:37:00 PM, Blogger Lebanese Pride said...

WOW...ALL u fucking syrian MONKEYS learned how to write, congrats! moooo??!! LOL, f'n jackasses. Assad the rat and your gorilla regime will collapse soon. you dumb, smelly, dirty, filthy rat syrians need to get an education first befose you try and post something on faggot Joshua Landis site. he is a PRO syrian cock sucker! And you, Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe, what a "great" post, wow!'s funny how your dumb syrian brothers agreed with you. can't wait till the USA pays you dirty syrian rats a! Keep backing bashar and your regime. you think being a fried of Iran will help you, hahaha.. how dumb are you idiots?! but i will gurantee you this! next time i visit lebanon i will buy your dirty women shavers to shave there "extra hair" on there "beautiful" faces. btw... how does it feel to be HUMILITAED leaving lebanon and your president IS going to be questioned for the assasination of hariri and that the USA AND EUROPE has there sites on you?! I LOVE IT. CAN'T WAIT! YOU WILL BE THE NEXT IRAQ! it must be hard when someone asks you where your from? you say syria.hahah, syria the MOST low budget country along with egypt!



At 1/20/2006 03:47:00 PM, Blogger Innocent_Criminal said...

LOL, this guy cracks me up every single time

At 1/20/2006 03:50:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

I love Michael Young. A responsible and true liberal, that's what he is.

At 1/20/2006 03:53:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Sorry guys, but Lebanese Pride is probably a Saudi living in Lebanon. He's on the whole blogosphere.

Nevertheless, I love his 'lone live Lebanon'.
So, 'lone live Lebanon' !

At 1/20/2006 04:11:00 PM, Blogger t_desco said...

A major development in the Hariri case?

Al-Qaeda suspects may not be linked with terror group: report

BEIRUT: The 13 suspects apprehended by the Lebanese military judiciary last week on suspicion of having links to Al-Qaeda may not be affiliated with the terrorist group, according to Al-Hayat newspaper. The local daily's sources said Thursday that the interrogation of the suspects, who were apprehended by the military judiciary last week on suspicion of planning terrorist acts, possessing unlicensed weapons and forging official documents, has not yet proved their affiliation with Al-Qaeda.

... Al-Hayat sources said the suspects were arrested during a search for Palestinian national Khaled Midhat Taha, whose name was mentioned in the report of the international commission investigating the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

Taha allegedly accompanied Ahmad Abu Adas, who in a videotape claimed the assassination attack, to Syria a couple of weeks before the assassination.

The sources said the Lebanese security authorities collected information revealing that Taha returned to Lebanon a few weeks ago.

The authorities located two of Taha's relatives, including Abdullah Hallaq, who was arrested with the ring in Sidon.

The sources said security forces raided the ring's hide-out based on Hallaq's confession.
The Daily Star

So the 13 are probably linked to Khaled Midhat Taha who was possibly involved in the Hariri assassination.
They should at least be able to provide the UN investigators with information about Taha's background (Islamist? Mokhabarat?).

Will this finally produce the "solid evidence" Mehlis was looking for "to ensure that his case would hold up in court"?

If not al-Qaeda, how about Jund al-Sham?

At 1/20/2006 04:19:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

TD, even if these people were unleashed by Syria, they have nothing to do with the terrorist operation that killed 7abib el Sha3b Hariri.

At 1/20/2006 04:19:00 PM, Blogger Idaf said...

Young's writings on Lebanese affaires are balanced. Can't say the same about his analysis of Syrian issues. As with most Lebanese journalists (anti-Syrian and pro-Syrian alike) they mostly suffer of falling in many traps, specifically the lack of understanding of Syrian people's point of view. They have their pretexts and ready-made profiles that -in most times- are usually highly biased, sometimes ignorant and sometimes even racist (read Lebanese Pride in this blog!). My advise to the Lebanese journalists (the ones that are genuinely seeking to be balanced) is to do the following: GO VISIT SYRIA and meet with as many normal people as you can, so you would shape better understanding. Don't just rely on inaccurate (to say the least) profiles being recycled year after year in the Lebanese media about Syrians and their views, mostly based on views influenced by Lebanese politicians and warlords in their struggle for power.

Regarding the Hizballah issues, the second part of a very informative and interesting interview with Hizballah's Hassan Nasrallah was published yesterday in Al-Hayat. He gave very interesting details of events that took place just before the Hariri murder between him, Hariri, Junblat and Bashar. A must read if you really want to understand the context of everything that was happening just before the crime.

For me, the most interesting point in his interview was Nasralla's answer to the question: Is Hizballah working to return the Syrian influence in Lebanon? Nasralla laughing before answering: "..Let's take Hizballah, how did it benefit from the Syrian existence in Lebanon.. since 1982 till the day they went out? In the other hand how did Junblat and many others benefit? During the time Syrians were in Lebanon we did not have any representation in all of the country's institutions. In the contrary, we were kept out of official positions. At the same time, the areas where we had some spiritual and popular influence and activities suffered increasing poverty. We did not get any jobs, projects, development, (political) positions nor anything else that others gained. Therefore, if anyone wants to judge that era we won't have any problem, in the contrary we will be relieved..". Nasrallah continues: "Syrian existence in Lebanon had two meanings to us: It was an internal stabilizing factor in Lebanon.. second, it was providing protective environment for the resistance against Israeli occupation. Therefore, my position vis a vis Syria was because of national and strategic factors not personal, political or tactical patronage. I was not pro-Syrian in Lebanon because it provided us with jobs in the public sector, because it provided development projects or because it gave us financial budgets or installed (our) ministers or MPs. They (Syrians) know this. To the contrary, the Syrian commission that was managing the Lebanese affaires until 2000 (the interviewer: "Khaddam, Shihabi and Kanaan") was intentionally neglecting Hizballah in the Lebanese internal equation". (Nasrallah's speech ends here)

This was always a dilemma for me since 1990: Why was Hizballah always kept out of governments, financial and political gains in Lebanon despite its strong alliance with the Syrians?
During the time since 1990 till 1998 Khaddam was dealing with Lebanese Zai'ms realistically to his and their benefits (not necessarily always Syrian or Lebanese interests). By "realistically" I mean that he dealt with it as it really was: a field where sectarian political entities exist and you had to negotiate and appease all of them to keep the system working. Bashar tried to deal with Lebanon more and more as a "state" (not necessarilly an independent one though!). He discarded the sectarian Zai'ms and supported more on officials that had less sectarian mindsets (examples: Hoss and Lahoud that he brought to power after taking over the Lebanese file from Kanaan). While it might be morally correct, this proved to be wrong politically as it made enemies out of most of those sectarian Zaims that was relying on the earlier patronage system.
I think that since 1998 two conflicting movements were existing in Lebanon: The patronage network of Khaddam-Hariri-Kanaan-Junblat (that put Lebanon under 35+ Bn$ debt) and the less sectarian and less corrupted network of Bashar-Lahoud. Hizballah was always out of the control area of both networks as it was kept out of power game of decision making in a way that would keep the patronage network flowing with one less powerful player.
Regardless of what you think of Hizballah, the fact that unlike the rest of politicians and warlords in Lebanon, it was the only party that did not gain political positions and financial benefits during the Syrian control era, gives Nasrallah's positions more credibility (the first time that Hizballah entered politics was in the current government after the Syrian troops went out).

I recommend everyone interested in the Hizballah issue to read this interview.

Finally, is a second civil war looming on Lebanon? As a Syrian I absolutely hope not, because as was the case with the first civil war, the Syrian people was the most effected negatively after the Lebanese, but hope is not enough. I end with an intriguing quote from Al-Hayat: "It seems that the main goal of killing Hariri in that horrendous way was to grant membership to the Sunnis in Lebanon in the Lebanese sectarian club that practiced the sectarian warfare and transform that sect from a social entity into a political sect". Is the Lebanese press finally starting to leave the "emotional journalism" that prevailed since Feb 2005 and adopt more deep analysis?! I really hope so.

At 1/20/2006 04:21:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"My advise to the Lebanese journalists (the ones that are genuinely seeking to be balanced) is to do the following: GO VISIT SYRIA"

Well the patriotic journalists are blacklisted. Sure they can go to Syria, but can they come back?

At 1/20/2006 04:22:00 PM, Blogger ahnad said...


This letter i sdirected to the poster named: "Lebanese Pride".

Here are some school names in Lebanon where you may start to learn Englis as a second language:

- UNESCO (Hamra)

- Ministry of Higher Education History book: ‘Al-Tarikh Al-ihlme’ (Fourth intermediate) Tel: 01/371059

- Internet (

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At 1/20/2006 04:41:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Idaf, the baathy working for the Syrian Mukhabarat, tries again to give the impression of being a "neutral" analyst, interested in the truth, and nothing more. However, this time he could not hide his true intentions, and that is to defend the Assad regime with all the tricks they have taught him. He is shown now to what he really is.

Now, he stated this: "My advice to the Lebanese journalists (the ones that are genuinely seeking to be balanced) is to do the following: GO VISIT SYRIA", thinking that he came up with a genius idea, an idea that is written to deceive the Western Reader only.

Joshua Landis has lived in Syria for one year. He is married to a Syrian whose father belongs to the gang of Damascus. In all of his reporting about the people he has met in Syria, not a single one of those he met was of another opinion than the opinion he always tried to defend, that of the "deep love" of the Syrian people to the so called President Bashar Assad, the eye doctor who spent 7 month in Britain, and acquired according to him the "Western education" the West claimed about him. Not a single Syrian said anything that in any way showed Joshua Landis a different opinion than that "love".

So, I would say, that even if your advice (which is stupid and decietful, by the way, because you think Lebanese Journalists don't understand or know Syria) is taken by those "ignorant" Lebanese, no Syrian will say a word that is to bring him a jail term to those journalists. Syrians do not talk freely, not only to outsiders, but not among themselves as a state of fear dominates that "republic of fear".


At 1/20/2006 05:03:00 PM, Blogger Idaf said...

Vox and JAM,

Well.. my advice (as I clearly stated in my comment) is to both the pro-Syrian and anti-Syrian Lebanese journalists.

Vox and JAM, I repeat my invitation to you both (and everyone interested in Syrian issues).. GO VISIT SYRIA and try to talk to people there. You'll be surprised how diverse the views of the people are and how different many would be from what you think of them (JAM, I'm assuming -and correct me if I'm wrong- that you did not go to Syria since a long time!).

One more thing, JAM, Pascal or anyone else that really think that I'm "a Mukhabarat" or "Baath supporter" then you're entitled to your own opinion even when they are as pathetic as the Baath's opinion on everyone that dares to disagree with it (i.e. traitor, agent.. etc).

At 1/20/2006 05:04:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

I know Syria very very well. It is you who do not know Syria, and that is easy to tell why: People do not trust you. It is as simple as that.

Thank you.


At 1/20/2006 05:30:00 PM, Blogger DamasceneBlood said...

t_desc said
"If not al-Qaeda, how about Jund al-Sham?"

How about CIA? or maybe Mossad?

Think about this: the rockets launched against Israel a couple of weeks ago. Hizbullah denied any relation to that. Who benefitted the most? those calling for the disarmament of Hizbullah. The argument: Hizbullah cannot control the South, and therefore we need to give control to the Lebanese Army and disarm Hizbullah, who can't even control its weapons.

Of course, reality is different: the Lebanese Army is spread along the border, but the impression remains that Hizbullah is the dominating and _only_ force in the South.

Now who would want to create such an embarassment for Hizbullah? hmmmm. The insane Jumblatt and his minions come to mind here. Or maybe it's JeaJea the Butcher?

At 1/20/2006 05:32:00 PM, Blogger t_desco said...

The first part of Nasrallah's interview is also available in English.

Mehlis certainly seemed to think that Khaled Midhat Taha had something to do with the assassination of Hariri. As these people are linked to him, they might be involved as well. In any case, they will be able to provide highly valuable information about his background.

At 1/20/2006 06:14:00 PM, Blogger norman said...

Does anybody think that Asad would be smart to jump ahead and ask the new investigation head into Hareri killing to Damascus for a visit and exchang of ideas before it comes from him then syria has to be either humiliated ar called uncooperative.openions please.without yelling at me.

At 1/20/2006 06:20:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"Vox and JAM, I repeat my invitation to you both (and everyone interested in Syrian issues).. GO VISIT SYRIA and try to talk to people there."

Yeah sure, like you can find people in the street willing to discuss politics (aka kamikaze). Like I don't remember the way we used to avoid discussing politics with strangers or in public spaces in Lebanon before the cedar revolution.

Michael Totten wrote that he tried to discuss politics with a Syrian national in Lebanon, the guy just ran away. That should give you an idea about the degree of repression in Syria.

At 1/20/2006 06:50:00 PM, Blogger RM said...

Repression and, unfortunately, ignorance.

Two summers ago, I spent some days in Latikia. On one night I met a Syrian with his family working in the administrative part of ministry of defence; I spent hours trying to explain to him what a computer is, but it was to no avail. In the end I quit and we spent the night, in silence, drinking the liters of maté he had prepared.

At 1/20/2006 07:30:00 PM, Blogger DamasceneBlood said...

Ramzi and Vox

Obviously you guys are grossly misrepresenting the Syrian people as ingorant cowards. Of course there is a class in Syria with these traits, but there is a very large group who's highly educated, politically savvy, and is not afraid to discuss politics openly in cafeterias and restaurants. When I was in Syria last year, I was saying very negative things about the regime sitting in La Noisette and Sahara. Many of my friends were taking extra courses in MS Office, Oracle Database, Autocad, NLP, and many foreign languages.

It seems you guys and the VERY lame Mike Totten have been hanging with the very low class types. But I guess "birds of feather flock together"...

At 1/20/2006 08:14:00 PM, Blogger Idaf said...

Vox said:
"like you can find people in the street willing to discuss politics (aka kamikaze)."

I'll take your statement as it is: A personal insult to me as a Syrian. What a lame excuse for stating your close-mindedness. Why are you so afraid of finding out that you might be wrong on what you think on Syrian issues?!

I know a Lebanese Christian who refuses to touch the keyboard. He was my barber and I tried several times to persuade him to try so he can save money on calling his mother abroad, with no success. Does this draw an accurate picture of Christian Lebanese? Would I be so ignorant to claim that Lebanese "ignorance" is the reason? I once tried to discuss politics with 3 educated Lebanese youth 3000 miles away from the "Syrian Mukhabarat" after the so called "cedar revolution" and 2 of them ran away. Do I allow this to be the image I hold of Lebanese people? Heck I once met an American guy from Arizona who does not drink coffee for "religious reasons" (seriously).. you get my point.. I hope.

I assure you and everyone else interested in forming real understanding beyond the partial and/or distorted picture amplified by the media, that you will find lots and lots of Syrians who are not just willing but are itching to discuss Lebanese-Syrian issues or internal Syrian ones while on a cup of Late in cafes in Abu Remmane in Damascus, on a beer in restaurants in Azizieh in Aleppo or while they are tanning on beaches of Latakia and Tartous. There would be always people who will run away for sure everywhere.. like would I dare say that I'm not convinced that Syria killed Hariri among a group of Tayyar elMustaqbal youth in downtown Beirut or say what I really think of Junblat's opportunist and hypocrite politics among some of his followers?! I don't even want to imagine the reaction of the Lebanese Forces followers if I tried to elaborate on my opinion of their beloved Hakim bloody and inhumane past!

Hey, you can always prove me wrong and do the UNTHINKABLE and go to Syria and say that everyone "ran away", but at least try. If you are afraid of receiving your Lebanese friends' comments after they know that you went to the "enemy's den".. simple don't tell them.. you don't need a passport (assuming that you are Lebanese) so no one can prove that you went!

Allow me to shock you further my friend.. I used to discuss my dislike of Hafez Assad's brutal internal policies in public cafes and university corridors in Syria with friends from different sects and ages. This was way before the "cedar revolution" or "Damascus Spring". I'm not saying that Syria is France, but please spare me the "kamikaze" and "republic of fear" rhetoric!

The one thing worse than ignorance is stubborn refusal to learn.

At 1/20/2006 08:28:00 PM, Blogger norman said...

Idaf ,i am proud of you i was in Syria in the seventies and i had more freedom to discuss politics in Syria than now in the US now we have Mukhabrat in the us and listen to phone calls.some of my fear is economic boycut by my buisness associates.

At 1/20/2006 08:32:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

The last post by IDAF is ridiculous. He is trying to teach us about Syria thinking that he can bluff people like me who know Syria more than any thing else.

I bet you were able to discuss your dislike of the oppression of Hafez Assad openly, and I know that this is possible because I did so many times, and people thought I was Mukahabart. People were shocked at how courageous I was, and thought that I must be mukhabarat to be such.

this is the mentality that Syrians have learned to adopt since Hafez Assad took power.

Do you know Mr. Abdel rahman Shagouri? He was jailed for 3 years for having accessed opposition Sites on the Internet.

Go bluff stupid people, and may be you think all your readers are stupid.

You know that Bashar assad's first prime Minister was Mustafa Mero, the one who was known for his corruption, and he chose him
back in 2000 atthe time he was declared as the leader of the 2nd correctionsit movement, fighting "corruption". Every body knew he was the chief corrupt person, but yet he appointed him.

Well, now they are after Mero. They are accusing him of corruption.

before they accuse any one, they should tell us how the Assad family got all of that money, about $50 billions.


At 1/20/2006 09:11:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

Vox you simply don't know the reality of the Syrian street anymore. Sadly, you are propagating and relying on a tired and dated generalization.

Ramzi mabsout, by the way, older Americans themselves also have trouble coping with the information age, let alon Syrians. The younger generation always find it easier.

Like Damasceneblood, I can also personally atest to the fact that people are willing to discuss politics. Middle and upper class are perfectly capable of discussing Syria politics and regional issues. Of course you can't get too detailed when talking about people still in charge but it is a very different atmosphere from before nonetheless. I noticed the change this summer. Several of my friends also independently came to this conclusion as well.

Internet and computer lessons, english classes, dishes....everyday Syrian people are trying to learn about the outside world. This is a true phenomenom in Syria--I can say this not only about Damascus, but Aleppo and even some of the Syrian villages as well. Its a welcome change.

At 1/20/2006 09:24:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

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At 1/20/2006 09:45:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

Idaf's comments are right on. JAM I think your generation is more scared of discussing politics in Syria. But I also think you are quite clueless when it comes to my and Idaf's and DB's generation. This generation is not as afraid of talking. Of course we do not shout it in the streets or wear T-shirts declaring people to be corrupt. We simply are more discreet. But I may agree there are still certain 'taboo' issues. Ones that require whispering or using codenames when talking about Hafez, Bashar or Rami Makhloof for example. That is my take.

So Idaf is bluffing nobody. He is just more informed than JAM on his own generation with regards to this issue.

[And JAM is just occurred to me that if people thought you were a mukhabarat agent like you said, do you really expect anyone to talk any politics around you?? No wonder they didn't, it is quite natural to be afraid if a supposed mukhabarat agent is next you! I would have second thoughts about speaking ill of President Bush if I thought an FBI agent was next to me! You have dug your own grave with this one JAM...]

At 1/20/2006 09:45:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

EC, you and IAF, and DB are all working for the Mukhabarat to write on this blog.

I am of your generation. What generation did you suppose I belong to?

I just came back from Syria, and I know the people there very well.

At 1/20/2006 09:51:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

JAM your profile says you are 44 years old. I am speaking of the generation that is still in their 20's. I am not attacking you.

So please don't go back into the habit of accusing me to be a Baathist or a mukhabarat. Come on be more sensible than that--so people might take you more seriously.

At 1/20/2006 09:57:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

I See!!! LOL

So, let me ask those in their 20's, the assad Generation (How I despise that)!!! LOL

How do you feel about a regime that transfered power to the son of the dictator? I don't think you are shocked, because you belong to the Assad generation. I understand where you are coming from.

take it easy.

You don't find anything wrong that corrupt people govern you, and you had no idea how Syria was prior to Hafez Assad, so I forgive you. You need to be reeduccated , i am sure
I will post things on this later on.

At 1/20/2006 10:25:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

DB's generation? You mean the generation of the guy who wrote:

"Think about this: the rockets launched against Israel a couple of weeks ago. Hizbullah denied any relation to that. Who benefitted the most? those "

As Karfan said, your generation is the failed generation. Book your seat in the asylum and let the young generation try to clean your shit, if it's possible.

At 1/20/2006 10:43:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

When Idaf writes, he is accused of being a Mukhabarat. When EHSANI2 writes, he is accused of being a Mossad/CIA gent. When Alterion opines, he is a Sunni zealot. When JAM responds, he Rifaat’s man. Stop this nonsense please. Idaf is an articulate and seemingly intelligent person. This, however, does not make him right.

I will be presumptuous and state that I perhaps do visit Syria more often than many of the people posting on this forum. I have long argued that the Syrian people have been forced to listen to a CD for long spells of their adult life. I have studied in the system, grew up in it, and experienced it throughout my adult life. I do not want to portray this an evil regime that is involved in a genetic engineering grand experiment. The scheme, if I may call this, is a subtle but extremely effective one. Idaf once opined that this did not seem to have worked with me, so it could not be as bad as I am describing it. The fact is that had I stayed in Syria, there would have been no way for me to be as mentally free as I feel today. Of course, eng.chg and DamBlood are right when they say that people are now freer to criticize and think for themselves. But is this sufficient to overcome the tremendous current that most Syrian minds are fighting against.

Idaf is absolutely right that the vast majority of the Syrian people are behind their President today. Ironically, this is exactly what I see wrong. Even Idaf himself agrees that the regime has had many shortfalls. No one seems to disagree with the regime’s horrendous handling of the economy, the destroying of civil society, the inability and unwillingness to stop the endemic corruption. In any civilized country, the above list alone would make it extremely hard if not impossible for the President of that country to have approval ratings in the 20’s. Not in Syria. I submit to you that the President can push the unemployment rate to 70% (it already is among the youth), yet his approval ratings would not suffer.

Why, is what the Non Syrians ask? Are these people stupid? Are they brain dead? Can’t they understand that there is a better life that could be had?

From the day of birth, every single Syrian grows to learn the following:

1- Syria is the beating heart of the Arab world
2- Syria will not bow to Israel until it gets its land back
3- Syria is the only and last guardian of the Palestinian cause
4- Syria is targeted by outsiders
5- Syria is a regional powerhouse. Smaller and weaker nations will have to accept playing the role of small sister

Note how standards of living, the economy, civil society, civil rights, abolishing emergency laws, free elections, no corruption, a constitution that allows non baathists to be in power, a constitution that does not restrict Presidential powers to a certain religion are all silly, unimportant and nuisance when it comes to the REAL stuff. 43 years of repeating the above five items over and over and over in totally controlled media, schools and universities does have an enormous effect that you cannot ignore. A 30 second Pepsi or Coke commercial can do wonders to a TV viewer. The Baath and this regime have a product to sell to 20 million people. They have had 43 years of constant advertising free time to drive their message and drill it into your head and every other head in this country. If and when you start to think differently, it would start to get surprising and indeed shocking. You will be called an agent of the west because your brain dared to get free. Yesterday Riad Seif questioned why we Syrians are asked to follow the mantra of “Somoud and Tassadi”. He wondered why his kids could not enjoy the same good life of others. He was massacred in the media. Please visit the response he received when the article appeared on champress. 99% of the people thought he is a traitor to his country. These same people are programmed to hate Israel, U.S. and the Lebanese who want to be set free from Syrian dominance. Of course, Syrians would love to control Lebanon. Why wouldn’t they?

Idaf, I had agreed last time to wait till the Hariri investigation is over before I pass judgment. I said to you then as I do today that logic and common sense give me a strong sense of who the culprits were. But wait I will. In the meantime, please do not engage in convincing us that this regime deserves to continue running this country. This regime is on the wrong side of history. The day this regime is no longer, the very same Syrian people that you have described in your report will be the first to breath a massive sigh of relief. They will tell you that in spite of all the slogans and constant drilling, they all knew deep down that all this was a lie. They were being lied to and they in turn were lying back.

At 1/20/2006 10:47:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

LOL, keep praising each other you fools!

""Idaf is absolutely right that the vast majority of the Syrian people are behind their President today""

How do you know?

Where did you get this infornmation from.

I did not read all of your post, but saw that you are just bullshitting us to confirm what the Mukhabarat wants.

Israeli or not, you are all working for the same agnecy.

At 1/20/2006 10:57:00 PM, Blogger I rather born Syrian or a dog said...

To that fucking Jew disguised as Lebanese Pride. The human scum said:

how does it feel to be HUMILITAED leaving lebanon and your president IS going to be questioned for the assasination of hariri and that the USA AND EUROPE has there sites on you?! I LOVE IT. CAN'T WAIT! YOU WILL BE THE NEXT IRAQ! it must be hard when someone asks you where your from? you say syria.hahah, syria the MOST low budget country along with egypt!



At 1/20/2006 10:57:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Read the post first.How can you respond before you read? Have you been to Syria? Of course 90% of the people feel the same. My own sister feels the same. My own extremely educated friends feel the same. The question is why? Alterion once talked about the Stockholm syndrom. You can add ignorance, fear and halpless. Poeple are smarter than you think. They weigh the risk/reward of thinking/saying something. They decide to be brave and speak, the risks are way bigger than the rewards. They learn to agree with the official line and hence opt for a low risk strategy. Idaf takes this as a sign that the people are behind the regime.

At 1/20/2006 10:58:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

The Syrian people are much more intelligent than you are giving them credit for.

they know they hate the regime, but they are silent.

You said this: "Have you been to Syria? Of course 90% of the people feel the same. My own sister feels the same"

Do you think you are the only one who has been to syria?

But yes, your sister and your friends think like you, and so my sistr and brother and friends think like me. where do we go from here?

It seems that each person meets those who are more like him.

All the people I met hate and despise the regime and all baathies.

Enjoy your regime.

At 1/20/2006 11:01:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

It is enough for you to visit the Internet Sites where Syrians write, and see the amount of hatred they have for the regime, even their own site ( where they are now expressing their opinions against the regime for the first time. go and read. That site is a Baathy site.

At 1/20/2006 11:08:00 PM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

You just don't get the point. All that you are interested in is hearing yourself speak or reading yourself write in this case. I just don't see that what you are saying is any different than what I said. I advice you to calm down, take a break and then come back.

At 1/20/2006 11:11:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

We typed the last post at the same time, and we said the same thing.

Then why are you agreeing with IDAF when you are agreeing with me ?

IDAF is saying exactly the opposite of what I am saying, but you were agreeing with him, and suddenly you shifted.

There is no Stockholm syndrom. there is a secret hatred that the people only express to those they trust.

point final.

At 1/20/2006 11:57:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"Idaf is absolutely right that the vast majority of the Syrian people are behind their President today"

So let him organize a real election.

At 1/20/2006 11:59:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...


Don't be modest man. I'd say 99 (.99) percent of the Lebanese want Syria back. LET THE TRUTH BE HEARD!

At 1/21/2006 12:00:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Best commenter on this blog is Ehsani. I totally support him except that his heart is too soft.

At 1/21/2006 12:03:00 AM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

Vox my generation has failed in nothing. (I don't really even know what your point is, but I do appreciate you backing down on supposedly knowing about the typical Syrian "kamikaze"--when you only recently met an actual Sunni Muslim. Thanks for realizing you have zero credibility to talk about that.)

But to talk about failed generations, I don't think you judge a generation that is still in their 20's. What did you expect us to do in high school and university? Please come back in 10-30 years and judge us.

JAM how did you jump to the conclusion that "You don't find anything wrong that corrupt people govern you"??? I was talking about my generation (the one that is too young to actually remember the Hama massacre, but only hears stories about it) as one that is more willing to talk politics openly than older Syrian generations. And you jump to that?? Of course I find something wrong with corrupt people governing my country. And I am unhappy that a regime transferred power to the son of a dictator. I would in an ideal situation prefer a meritcracy. Question answered.

At 1/21/2006 12:13:00 AM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

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At 1/21/2006 12:15:00 AM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

Ehsani's comments are right on the money. I appreciate him taking the time to make them and hope others learn from some of the things he is articulating.

JAM based on my experience, I don't agree with your theory that most Syrians are not behind their president. From what I see and am told YES the vast majority of Syrians do support Bashar. Nationalism is on the rise and most just automatically equate President with country. Rightly or wrongly. That is just the situation on the ground today. (in my own view)

At 1/21/2006 12:20:00 AM, Blogger adonis syria said...

One thing is sure,few syrians would willingly risk their lifes in defending this regime when the threat will be translated into effective action.
The same people who carry asad's potrait today will be the first to spit on bashar after regime collapse.
Syrians are living in a situation of fear,suspicions and mistrust,as said JAM,the syrians only reveal their true opinions to their relatives and close friends.
Even inside the baath party,overwhelming majority of baath members despise the regime.
Baathist Syria is a world of lies and hypocrisy.

At 1/21/2006 12:30:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Bashar, Amadijihad, Hamas, PFLP-CG, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah's Nasrallah meets in Damascus.

Quick! Somebody must tell Bush! This is a one-time opportunity!

At 1/21/2006 02:38:00 AM, Blogger DamasceneBlood said...

Consider this:

Many of the posters here live in the US. Seriously now, how many of us feel as free to talk negatively about the US REGIME now, compared to 5 years ago? all this spying on Arab-Americans, the shitty treatment by the authorities, and the stigmatization of our culture in American society makes many Arabs in the US feel no better or freer than back home.

So I said that about Hizbullah, do you have a problem with it? I know that you hate them so much, but try to control your hatred towards the only true, honest party in Lebanon. I guess those with sick hearts and souls follow the thieves and the liars, and cannot tell an honest person from a liar with money. You obviously fall in the second category. Thank you for playing.

At 1/21/2006 02:54:00 AM, Blogger t_desco said...


I think that Abu Adas probably was the suicide bomber (if it was a suicide bombing; I don't know if the driver of the truck had enough time to escape) and that he believed to be acting on behalf of an Islamist group. The first Mehlis report even mentions that Adas "visited Abu Obeida", the "deputy to the leader of Jund al Sham", but Mehlis later pays no attention to that information.
Of course, that "Islamist organization" could have had links to an intelligence agency. It seems that Mossad even used the name "Jund El Sham" once to issue a statement claiming responsibility for the assassination of Hizbullah commander Ghaleb Awali in July 2004, but that makes an actual link between Mossad and that organization even less likely.

I think that Musab al-Zarqawi also used that name for his organization in Afghanistan. And he (or rather a voice attributed to him) claimed responsibility for the rocket attack against northern Israel that you mentioned.

At 1/21/2006 03:02:00 AM, Blogger DamasceneBlood said...

t_desco: (quick words before Bashar talks):

I see links to many people around, except Syria. No one has yet come up with any tangible piece of evidence to accuse Syria. Everyone says we have phone calls, we have papers, we have a trail, yet all we see so far are fake witnesses. The Americans are not as good as they used to be with faking evidence (see: Lockerbie)

At 1/21/2006 03:20:00 AM, Blogger adonis syria said...

France Limiting Kaddam's Space, Perturbed Assad Family
January 20, 2006 Agencies

Washington DC -- Abdul Halim Kaddam, the ex VP of Syria, has been asked by the French authorities to curb his media appearances using French territories. An interview with 60 Minutes, the US based news show, was canceled because of French pressure.

Kaddam is forced, as a result, to travel to other countries to continue with his campaign against the regime of Baschar al-Assad.

Also, The Levant News, a London-based news outlet, reported yesterday that Baschar al-Assad's mother Anissa, who is still called the "First Lady", was rushed to hospital few days after Kaddam delivered his interview to al-Arabiya TV on December 30.

In retaliation, her son Maher al-Assad, sent his Republican Guards to force their way into Kaddam's home in Damascus. The whole episode was shown on Syrian TV to discourage other high level would-be defectors.

Anissa Makhlouf tightly controls the family affairs and is known to be the manipulator behind the scene. She engineered the corrupt practices of the Assad clan led by Rami Makhlouf whom Kaddam accused, with his father Mohammad Makhlouf, of amassing an $8 billion fortune.

At 1/21/2006 06:27:00 AM, Blogger Pascal said...

"Baathist Syria is a world of lies and hypocrisy" adonis-Syria

How true !!

that is the summary of all of your talks.

At 1/21/2006 07:05:00 AM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

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At 1/21/2006 07:26:00 AM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

The only thing we learnt is that Israel killed Arafat. He is shifting the focus and making sure that the Arab masses concentrates on this issue rather than his. What a disgrace. His 20 million people want to hear about their future. Instead, they got the same list of slogans and lies. But, we will soon start to hear and read the nationalistic support from a lot of people. The 43 years of drilling this poison in their brains will soon show its effects.

At 1/21/2006 07:50:00 AM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Bashar's departing words:

"Gentlemen, the war which has been imposed on us is a long war because it is a war of identity and fate"

At 1/21/2006 08:53:00 AM, Blogger RM said...

Dear readers and writers:

I did not mean to generalize with my experience in Latikia on the people of Syria. I was just worried with the fact that a person who works in the administrative part of a ministry was not aquainted, or better, had never heard of computers. How many of you conceptualize of Syria ever being a threat Isreal then I ask? Should not the most qualified people of your country fill in the posts of the public sector?

Things are not necessarily better in Lebanon mind you. A visit to the local police station for the recovery of lost documents has been satisfying for enlighting me me on how far we are from providing the minimum a citizen might request.

My point was just that this exprience in Latikia signals a worrying trends in the capacities of the state apparatus. I might have fallen on the "balck sheep" of the ministry, but I doubt.

At 1/21/2006 10:03:00 AM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

Hafez Assad renewal Terms (every 7 years for life) used to be 99.999% of the populace.

Hafez Assad died out of sadness and anger as how he could not find those .001% who voted NO to him despite his perfection in oppressing them.

His son, soon after his inheritance (in an imperfect world as EC put it, defending his Assad generation) got only 97.2 % of his first "election" in 2000, for 7 years.

Saddam Hussein used to get 99.999% in his Elections as well.

However, Saddam Hussein, in his last "defiance" to the world (the US) was smart enough and reaized that his best chance for killing America with sadness is to hurry up with an election and win by, guess what? 100% of the populace. He marked the exact land mark Bashar Assad is marking now, and he heard the same slogans his Baathies were shouting at the time as those who shouted today for Bashar's speech. "in blood, in our lives, we sacrifice for you, Saddam". "in blood, in our lives, we sacrifice for you, Bashar".

Yesterday, Ehsani, and IDAf stated categorically that 90% of the Syrian populace love Bashar. Excuse my ignorance, but I thought the percentage was 97.2%, and now all of the people of Syria are so patriotic that , I am sure now, the percentage must be 100%.

In a country where the people agree with the "president" at a 100% rate, I am just wondering, how stupid, or may be a how much of a Hater, the so called president must be to keep Aref Dalila (69 years old), and Kamal Labwani in his prison for their opinion , those among thousands of others.

In a country where 100% of the populace are "patriotic" who would sacrifice their lives for their personality cult God like president, why is such a president afraid of other opinions, why is he afraid of going to a normal election supervised by the UN to show the world how much his people really love him.

But, the dumb asses will always come here and defend this retadred regime, and pretend that they alone, know Syria, and they alone are not as stupid as those "ignorant" Lebanese Journalists.

Retarded people surround Bashar Assad, though he had the chance to be ahead of their game when he received some training in a Western Democratic Country (Britain), and witnessed how the other opinion was not such a danger to a beloved president (queen), and how people deal with each other, and resolve their differences. I know he claims to be fighting Israel, and even the world right now --- that he can not permit such a luxury, but he should have the progressive mind after having visited for few months a progressive country and acquired the "Western Educated" president title, and his mind should have told him that Israel was facing many enemies around it, and yet it did not change its way toward his personality cult man worship regime. He should be ashamed of his retarded mind, and retarded life where as his father was , total obedience to his person must and is demanded, a thing approaching making him the only God in a "secular" regime or a "secular" country.

No,, I would rather live in a country governed by religious retarded men such as the MBs, and that they will not require me to worship man, but God in his excellent characteristics that the Quran describes. A Just God that is not a humann being, but something much more evolved than a stupid human being who wants every thing for himself, and nothing for those worshipping him. God is a much better concept than a strong crazy man such as Hafez or Bashar Assad.

The Assad Generation that EC spoke about must be truly sick, excuse my conclusion. It must be sick because it accepts the worship of man, and that is certain.

Thank you


At 1/21/2006 10:04:00 AM, Blogger BP said...

Correct, brother ramzi, what you said. No difference between our syria and somalia. See all our ministers and what Khaddam said about brother Sharaa, that he did not understand the un-resolution he accepted and even his majesty...all the people at the wrong place.

Most of syrians do not understand, how things are going in the world. How shall they get the informations from?

It is as hopeless as it is the case in africa.

At 1/21/2006 10:18:00 AM, Blogger BP said...

Agree with you JAM even I am from baby-ass ad generation. But any society has the ruler they deserve.


At 1/21/2006 11:35:00 AM, Blogger The Rise of The Beast Amen / Marduk said...

So I see a coward from Eastern Syria (Lebanon) using his fagot psuedoname attacking me personally!!! so many fagots in Eastern Syria, the Syrian territory of Egypt and especially in Southern Syria (so called Israel-Palestine). Any one knows why?

By the way the name ISRAEL is not some shit from god as the Old Testaments forgeryers / fairy tellers and Bible freaks in North Carolina and Georgia would have you believe.

It is a name invented by the Beast (666) Amen / Marduk to settle a long dispute and infighting between various Annunaki gods and religious sects during the struggle to control the spaceport on mount Sinai (now nuked). It is the Hebrew and Aramaic abbreviation of three gods names: ISHTAR of Babylon and Euphrates region of Syria (IS), Egyptian god of the SUN called (RA) and Palestinian-Syrian-Lebanese god named "the Lord BAL or EL" (EL). Hence we got IS RA EL. This was one of his early scam at attempting to unite mankind under sort of United Nations.

RA- meaning ("the hidden one" originally the SUN GOD worshipped by the Egyptians hundreds of thousands of years ago in Atlantis, which Egypt was part of that Mediterranean continent that sunk beneath the Syrian Sea and caused the reputed Noah (ZARADUHSTRA) flood. Later Amen /Marduk adopted the name and incorporated to his AMEN-RA so he can rule in Egypt. But then after the OSIRIS debacle and his incarceration to die in the Pyramid as ordered by the Annunaki to satisfy the goddess ISHTAR ( that later became the basis of death and resurrection story of Jesus, the savior of man).

Said all that to tie the comment back to the first line of it, and that is, now you know how and why Amen/Marduk came back with a revenge on women after ISHTAR sentenced him to death and the Annunaki, hearing a plea from the elders, he was released (resurrected) and the sentence was substituted with an isolation on the moon (cast out to the vicinity of the Earth as the News Testaments say). During that period, until his release to the earth and destruction of his spaceship in Tangouska, Russia. His son NABU, or NABI in Arabic, started preaching ISLAM, or “Surrender” to GOD, the Cross was gone and replace by the Moon Crescent and the SUN calendar was replaced by the Moon Calendar (too lengthy to explain the reason), the trademark Amen twin SHIM, became the twin Minarets and Twin Watch Towers and twin Towers. One of the SHIM still standing in front of the KARNAK, the other was shipped to America and erected in Central Park by Guess who? The Rockefeller, yep the Rockefeller, The Jewish dude turned Christian and the same one that his banking empire collect more than 25% of all tax payment made to the U.S. Treasury and Government. (ask Congressman Cox, is he still a Congressman? He is running the SEC now, ask about his 2 page blue colored mailer that he used to send us out quarterly)

Anyway to make the story short, I got to have a breakfast, HUMM… STEAK and EGGS…. COW ASS and SOMETHING CAME OUT OF THE CHICKEN ASS ANYONE FOR YUMMY BREAKFAST?



How about Zaattar, Kalamatta olives and tea for breakfast.
Let praises upon Nimrod and upon Akhnaten and upon Tutankhaten for they have knows the truth about the beast.

At 1/21/2006 12:02:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"the only true, honest party in Lebanon."

Being commanded by internationa pariah doesn't make you a honest party but a fifth column with an illegal army. HA is a terrorist organization & their place is in a court of law.

At 1/21/2006 12:12:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

"so many fagots in Eastern Syria" true statement. Here is VOX POOPI a good example. WHy is that HA is a terrorist ORG.? Because they kicked the ass of Jews out of Lebanon and brought dignity to the country, or because they are stronger than the Lebanese or other Maronite forces.

What did hizbullah committed of Terrorist acts that any other Fallange or Maronite Christians org did not commit equal or worse deed?

I guess you just consider them Terrorist because Jews ordered teh State Dept to list them that way or the woimen of HA don't show thier tummy or sell thier pussy for a cheap Dupont lighter.

At 1/21/2006 12:30:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

heheheheheh, LOL

"""" So I see a coward from Eastern Syria (Lebanon) using his fagot psuedoname attacking me personally!!! """"

Even in basic geography, Assadists are ignorant!

At 1/21/2006 12:30:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

"What did hizbullah committed of Terrorist acts that any other Fallange or Maronite Christians org did not commit equal or worse deed?"

Because HA continued its terrorist campaign well after the mid-90's, sot the amnesty doesn't apply to them. They bombed planes and jewish cultural center in latin America (not to mention an Israeli embassy in Argentina).

They are dedicated to create a islamofascist state in Lebanon.

I mean what do you expect from a fanatical leader like Nasrallah who was so happy when his son died in South Lebanon?

They need to get their ass kicked. The Real Lebanese must act against these foreign agents.

At 1/21/2006 12:32:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Republican Party said...

Metaz left out one more fact, that it is the Rockfeller and his Chain of privetly owned Federal Reserve Banks that own U.S. Currencies. NOT the United State Governmnet.

Also. I am not sure of this fact but the President of the United States and the U.S. Government does not have powers over the Federal Reserve Banks.

One more thing needs conformation, someone said in the past that the President of the United States Secrecy Level is only level 18, is that true? and who the hell will fill the other 18 higher levels.

At 1/21/2006 12:42:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

So SRP, to which of your multiple personnalities are we talking with today?

At 1/21/2006 12:53:00 PM, Blogger Metaz K. M. Aldendeshe said...

VOX said:

"....Because HA continued its terrorist campaign well after the mid-90's, sot the amnesty doesn't apply to them. They bombed planes and Jewish cultural center in Latin America (not to mention an Israeli embassy in Argentina)...."

There are no truth that will stand in U.S Court and under U.S. legal System to even make those charges.
The European Agree to that and refused, despite severe pressure from the States and Israel to label them (designate)as T.O.

"....They are dedicated to create a islamofascist state in Lebanon....."

Bullshit VOX. They are just as Lebanese as anyone else. They just happened to be Shia. The maintain this facade, because that is how they will get chunks of 50 Millions from Iran. Otherwise they will be doomed socially in Lebanon.

"....I mean what do you expect from a fanatical leader like Nasrallah who was so happy when his son died in South Lebanon?...."

He died kicking the Jews out of Lebanon. Not as agent for them.

"....They need to get their ass kicked. The Real Lebanese must act against these foreign agents....."

They are the only one in Lebanon that can kick ass. Foreign agents? What the hell would you call the Christians: Not foreign agents to Iran but Foreign agents to Israel. PRO JESUS. They are the worst foreign agents, they worship and planning on turning Lebanon into a Jewish state that worship a Jewish Carpenter, an Myth invention of the Jews to rule the world and Lebanon and turn the Gentile into GOHYIMS.

There are many of HA families living in America and knows so many of them. They are just as progressive as any other American, the women are not covered, fashionable and sophisticated just like any other Lebanese woman you see here in Fashion Island or South Coast Plaza. You are Stereotyping and casting in the same way Jews uses this technique and strategy to defame Arab’s Syrians, Moslems, Iranians, Russians, or just about anyone else that do not submit to their military hegemony or Banking/ financial interests hegemony.

At 1/21/2006 12:58:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

DB I know what you are saying as an Arab-American. But I don't think the level here in the US is comparable to Syria still. While in the US I feel fine telling anyone what I feel about my government's action, I would not feel so free to lambaste Bashar as openly in Syria.

Because although the FBI probaly already may be watching many arab-americans (like they spied on Edward Said), if the authorities decide to arrest you, people will know and will fight to get you out. In Syria you could just dissapear and nobody would ever know what happened.

America under Bush is getting worse with civil liberties, but its just not the same as Syria though.

At 1/21/2006 01:05:00 PM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

I didn't see or hear the speech but I guess it is more stalling tactics? Was anything substantial said in the speech?

Assad says road to Syrian reform a long one

At 1/21/2006 01:07:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Hey Metaz, SRP or whatever you call yourself these days, don't try to debate with me until you become a sane person.

And please don't try to post under my nick OK?

At 1/21/2006 01:44:00 PM, Blogger Metaz K. M. Aldendeshe said...

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At 1/21/2006 01:46:00 PM, Blogger Metaz K. M. Aldendeshe said...

It is just more stalling and in fact waiting till Bush is out and easy and willing lady Clinton is in. I know Bush still have a “Joker card, or Ace” under his sleeve (OBL) suddenly before November Congressional Elections or the U.S. Presidential Election is caught, out of the blue. Will not be enough, and will be forgotten in couple of days.

I seriously doubt anything will bale out Republicans in neither the Congressional or Presidential races.
1- The Iran conflict going to drive oil prices to 80+ Dollars. Any actual conflict, rather than threat of one, will push ppb over the $100 mark if not much more.
2- The DOW already, even before the Iran/oil problem surfaced, failed to break and hold the 11k mark It has attempted to push beyond this target number for sometime and failed. Yesterday we had the first drop over 200 points back to the low 600’s. a serious technical problem now.
3- This will translate into repeating the 2002-2005 cycle on the lower bell curve, down to low 10000, or worse back to 9800’s, a very serious problem for the economy and consumer sentiment etc..etc..
4- Real Estate bubble prices tapering down and it is also now on the 8 years cycle turn the downward arm of the bell. This will leave so many Americans with very high mortgage payment and loans and shrinking real estate value, dipping below these easy financing home prices that will leave American with high mortgage debt added to high consumer debt at just the time when Bush and his Republicans needs the economy to accelerate. This coincident which is more of a Cyclical nature than Bush doing is unfortunately going to coincide with the U.S Presidential election time. Sort of like his father, the elder Bush met the same 8 years Cyclical timing.
5- Bush wasted precious time and resources on every nitty gritty that is needed to be done and there is simply no time to do it now. So President Assad is counting President Bush, his Republican Congress, Republican administration, Neo-Con
Artists, Comicky Warriors and Sadistically Torturers all out.

Lets face it, Republican plundered the time, partly because of the greedy Zionists. We Syrians who are trying to make a change in Syria have only ourselves to do it. That is why I am saying that what we needed was Bush Political and Financial support to talk and negotiate with President Assad, to give him a confidence that this will be a positive change for everyone. It will be a win-win situation for Syrians and ultimetly, Iraq and Lebanon.

That was the problem, win-win for everyone, but not the Israeli, and that is why we never got that support. The greedy Zionists co-opted with greedy petro-insane and dreamed wilder dreams that are not attainable and are poorly planned and horribly executed. They should have settled for the sane plan that was introduced by SSPRS.

And the Winner is: President Bashar Assad of the Syrian Arab Republic.
Wish they will take that fucking 4 letters word out of my country name.

At 1/21/2006 01:52:00 PM, Blogger Metaz K. M. Aldendeshe said...

Hey Vox Dog POOPE or POPE, I would not even spit on your god, let alone debating with you. I was just defending Lebanese Shia from your Christian false accusations. You are nobody to me or to all Lebanese. You aint got a family, you aint got a chance in Politics or Media. Why are you wasting your time in here DUMB nobody Lebanese Christian underdog. Go make a living like your kind of Lebanese in Lebanon, Arab countries and France do start a prostetution ring will ya. Get some bedouin clientle list for ya for free starter.

At 1/21/2006 02:27:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Oh Sorry my dear metaz in jellaba, did I offend you? I didn't mean to insult you, just to describe you.

At 1/21/2006 02:29:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

I forgot to sign my post

Vox Populi

XTVZP Party - General Command
Beirut on the road of Damascus (with my tanks of course)

At 1/21/2006 02:46:00 PM, Blogger said...

I would rather be waring a Jellaba than your fucking cross.

At 1/21/2006 03:01:00 PM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Hey Metaz, use your real name (assuming that Metaz is your real name).

FYI, I don't wear a cross.

At 1/22/2006 11:35:00 PM, Blogger Ukiah said...

Yes, I agree,I seriously doubt anything will bale out Republicans in neither the Congressional or Presidential races.
1- The Iran conflict going to drive oil prices to 80+ Dollars. Any actual conflict, rather than threat of one, will push ppb over the $100 mark if not much more.


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