Friday, June 16, 2006

Ahmed Abu Adas, Jund al-Sham and Mossad? (by t_desco)

The recent discovery of several Israeli spy networks in Lebanon could have some surprising implications either for the Hariri case or at least for the case of the 14 bombings, killings and assassination attemps which are also being investigated by Serge Brammertz.

In a bizarre twist, Hussein Khattab, a Palestinian member of the spy ring, who is still at large, is the brother of Sheikh Jamal Khattab, an Islamic cleric who has allegedly recruited Arab fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq.
(Lebanon exposes deadly Israeli spy ring,The Times, June 15, 2006)

The list of persons connecting Hussein Khattab to Ahmed Abu Adas is remarkably short: Hussein is the brother of Sheikh Jamal Khattab who works closely with Sheikh Abu Obeida who allegedly met with Abu Adas in Ain al-Hilweh.

Of course, this is not evidence of any link, but it's certainly something worth looking into.

There are two quotes in the first Mehlis report which link Abu Adas to Sheikh Abu Obeida. Mehlis dismissed the first (§80 and §197) as being little reliable (the Al-Ahbash Security Service had reported that Adas "often went to Ein al Helwa" and that he visited Abu Obeida who is described both as "deputy to the leader of Jund al Sham" and as "deputy leader of the terrorist group Asbat al Ansar"), but the German prosecutor never addressed (or explained) the second:

81. ... The Lebanese investigation further revealed that Mr. Abu Adass had been employed at a computer shop in the summer of 2004, which was owned in part by Sheikh Ahmed Al-Sani, who was a member of the Ahmed Miqati and Ismaíl Al-Khatib network.

Ahmed Salim Mikati was a member of the Dinniyeh group headed by Bassam Ahmad al-Kanj who was killed in an uprising in the mountains of Dinniyeh in January 2000. The surviving fighters found shelter in Ain al-Hilweh. The group is said to have merged into Jund al-Sham. According to Bernard Rougier's excellent study on Salafi extremism in Palestinian refugee camps, al-Kanj was a religious teacher of Abu Obeida (also called Jihad Mustapha) (Bernard Rougier, "Le jihad au quotidien", Paris 2004, p.213).

While Sheikh Jamal Khattab is imam of the al-Nour Mosque in Ain al-Hilweh and an Islamist leader in the camp, Hussein Khattab belonged to the PFLP-GC:

According to Jibril's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command, Khattab was a member of the Palestinian Popular Committees and was the public relations' official in South Lebanon.
(Israel keeps silent over the capture of a Mossad network in Lebanon, Al-Manar, June 14, 2006)

His brother seems to have intervened when Hussein was detained on suspicion of being involved in the killing of Jihad Ahmad Jibril in 2002:

L’un des individus toujours en liberté est un réfugié palestinien, Hussein Kh. (Khattab), âgé de quarante ans et né dans le camp de Aïn el-Héloué. Il avait été arrêté et libéré à deux reprises par les autorités libanaises et syriennes, notamment dans l’affaire de Jihad Jibril mais l’intervention d’un cheikh de Aïn el-Héloué auprès d’un homme de religion libanais a pu le libérer des prisons syriennes.
(La porte piégée du véhicule ayant servi à l’attentat de Saïda a été préparée en Israël, L'Orient-Le Jour, 14 Juin 2006)

According to Defense Minister Elias Murr, "the investigation has yet to find any link between suspect Mahmoud Rafeh, the alleged leader of the network, and a string of assassinations in and around Beirut since October 2005".

However, Khattab is "believed to have commanded a separate Israeli network in Lebanon", and Rafeh has confessed to transporting bombs across Lebanon since the Spring of 2005. It is unclear so far what has happened to (or what was done with) these bombs:

Security sources quoted by As-Safir newspaper Thursday said Rafeh confessed to transporting explosives across Lebanon in briefcases since early 2005, but were unable to determine the end result of the explosives as Rafeh was allegedly tied to more than one Israeli network.
(Murr gives army full credit for cracking terror network, The Daily Star, June 16, 2006)

Al-Manar provides a more detailed account:

Investigations with Lebanese Mossad agent, Mahmoud Rafea continued, and revealed that Rafea had since the Spring of 2005, delivered bombs in black suitcases, to several locations in Beirut, its eastern suburbs, Mount Lebanon and the South. Meanwhile, security forces are still after Palestinian Mossad agent, Hussein Khattab, who is now suspected of leading a Mossad network of his own.
Rafea admitted he had delivered, since the Spring of 2005, bombs in black suitcases to different locations, in eastern Beirut, Mount Lebanon, South Lebanon. Security Forces however did not yet determine how these bombs were used.
Apparently the operations of Rafea and his network intersected with the operations of other Israeli Mossad networks. Security Forces are focusing on this new information, while seeking to capture Rafea's partners, on top of which is Palestinian Mossad agent, Hussein Khattab.

According to reports, Khattab might be leading a Mossad network of his own, that carried out a series of assassinations and bombings, other than those committed by Rafea's network.

According to Assafir daily, the Israelis might have unclosed Rafea and Khattab's networks to each other, to carry out the assassination of Jihad Ahmad Jibril, of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command in 2002. Previous Israeli assassination attempts failed to harm Jibril, and therefore efforts of more than one network had to be combined to kill the man.

(Lebanese authorities still searching for the rest of Mossad network, Al-Manar, June 15, 2006)

So far Al-Manar is also the only source mentioning Ghaleb Awali as one of the persons killed by the network:

Beside the Majzoub brothers assassination, Rafea and his Mossad network assassinated Hezbollah officials, Ali Saleh and Ghaleb Awali, Jihad Ahmad Jibril of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command and Abu Hasan Salameh, as well as other security operations which will be revealed for the first time.
(Lebanese Army to release a detailed statement on capturing an Israeli Mossad network, Al-Manar, June 13, 2006)

This is interesting because at the time a statement in the name of Jund al-Sham had been issued claiming responsibility for the killing.

The then leader of Jund al-Sham, Abu Youssef Sharkiah, denied the claim. (Lahoud blames Israel for assassination, The Daily Star, July 20, 2004)

He has since relinquished his authority over the group as "disputes" emerged "between its members over plans for bombings and assassinations". (Jund al-Sham collapsing under Fatah and state pressure, The Daily Star, January 05, 2005)

Other statements by Jund al-Sham "criticized Shiites and Hizbullah Secretary-General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah as "unbelievers." " (Group vows to avenge anti-Islamic attacks, The Daily Star, June 30, 2004)

In July 2005, Jund al-Sham faxed a threat to assassinate several prominent Hizballah allies and leaders, including former spiritual leader Sayyed Hussein Fadlallah, to the Shiite Fatwa Center in Tyre. (Can al-Qaeda’s Lebanese Expansion Be Stopped?, Emily Hunt, February 6, 2006)

This raises the question if Jund al-Sham may have been manipulated by Israeli intelligence and their Lebanese agents (or, alternatively, if the group may have been used as a cover for their operations).

In October 04, 2005, As'ad AbuKhalil was left bewildered (and supposedly angry...) by "an alleged threatening flyer by Jund Ash-Sham": "I read that flyer, and it does not sound like Jund Ash-Sham at all. ... The flyer does not contain any of the religious language that one usually finds here. This flyer was written by a secular Arabic speaker."

Regarding the 14 bombings which are being investigated by Brammertz, in particular the eight explosions in public places, Jund al-Sham has claimed three of them:

In their sixth statement, Jund al-Sham (Soldiers of Levant) claims responsibility for the three bombings in Lebanon, “challenging the crusaders once more.” ...
The three explosions Jund al-Sham references seem to be those that occurred in the Christian sections of Lebanon during the past week. Three people have been killed, and three more injured.

(Jund al-Sham (Soldiers of Levant) Claims Resonsibility For the Three Bombings in Lebanon, SITE Institute, March 29, 2005)

Finally, Jund al-Sham also famously issued a threat to assassinate Detlev Mehlis while he was working on his final report:

Akkar, Lebanon- A group calling itself Jund El Sham, threatened to slaughter German Prosecutor Detlev Mehlis, who is heading a U.N. team investigating Rafik Hariri's assassination. The group also threatened to slaughter members of the reigning Lebanese authorities.

(Jund El Sham Threatens to kill Mehlis, 6 October, 2005)

Some remarks on the second Brammertz Report

In my opinion, Brammertz does not exclude the possibility that an Islamist group was responsible for the bomb that killed Rafik Hariri. This isn't the main focus of his investigation, but he does not discard the possibility, e.g.:

40. On the other hand, one single team alone might have conceived of the idea to kill former Prime Minister Hariri, conducted the reconnaissance and surveillance, prepared the claim-of-responsibility video, acquired the explosives, acquired and prepared the Mitsubishi truck, used an individual as the trigger mechanism, and executed the operation. Based on this hypothesis, the number of participants may have been relatively small.

§47 calls for "intricate knowledge of the motives, means and methods of "suicide bombing" in the region".

§50 makes clear that, "pending final DNA results from recently collected evidence at the crime scene", Ahmed Abu Adas wasn't "the individual who initiated the detonation of the IED, as stated in his claim of responsibility" and that he also wasn't present at the crime scene".
However, in an intriguing passage Brammertz states that:

The Commission does not exclude the possibility that he was involved in other aspects of the operation beyond his participation in the making of the claim-of-responsibility video message.

This could mean that was an active participant in the crime and not a passive victim of kidnapping. It also raises the possibility, however faint, that he is still alive.

§54 features "extremist ideologies" as being among the "possible motives of those who commissioned the crime".

Finally, there is also a (possible) allusion to Jund al-Sham, or rather, to the alleged terrorist cell consisting of 13 members detained in January 2006:

57. The Commission is further examining the possibility of one single group, with a singular intent and capacity, having committed the crime. For example, the Commission continues to develop its knowledge concerning individuals who are, or who have been, in the custody of the Lebanese authorities, allegedly as members of terrorist groups. This area of its investigations remains ongoing, and focuses on the links, intent, capacity and motivations of these individuals.

Some of the 13 suspects have claimed to be members of Jund al-Sham. (Lebanese authorities arrest 13 Al-Qaeda suspects, The Daily Star, January 14, 2006)


At 6/16/2006 12:04:00 PM, Blogger Ausamaa said...

Nice analysis once again. Very detailed and enlightening. Only problem is that it is about such trivial matters relating to a trivial place called Lebanon in a trivial time called the neo-con era.!!!!
Why does not everyone see the obvious which is that the side who benifits more from all those murders, or assasasinations is the one who has committed them. Either directly or undireccly. On his own or through a false flag operations. And eough is enough. Mehlis, Brammertz, Bolton, Feltman, Chirac. Come on!! Is it not begining to sound like Juha's story about teaching the Walli's donkey to talk within a few years?? Same, by the time Brametrz is done, the Tribunal convense, the indicments issued, contested, setteled, the Lebanese Law ammended to suit the requierments of the International Tribunal -if and when.... by then, the assumption is that either the donkey, the walli or Juha would have died.... OR changed thier mind about which language they now want the donkey to learn. Jocking apart, in hemocides 'cold trails' are a killer. Especially when the culprits are as cunning, smart, influential, and powerfull such as the ones we have in this case. More over, the Lebanese donkey does not sound like that it is capable of fetching a great price right now, especially after the "freedom ploy" to disarm Hizbulah, downsize Syria, insulate Israel's falling roof tiles and gulp up the whole area lock stock and barrel, did not go on as smooothly as it was planned. Maybe because Shock and Awe was confronted with an unexpected greater Resist and Endure by the 'locals'..
So for God's sake, our dear Lebanese brothers. You have witnessed and endured, commited and suffered, pimped for and served more masters than anyone can or care to recall. It is time to wake up. And when Elephants fight, you know what happens to the grass...especially when a lot of it is dead weed. Please, go back to thinking about your real country. Real future, the thousands of poor and hopless who roam your streets and start with yourselves before looking for others to change.
I just came back from a short visit to Beirut. And really, shame on you. Shame on you.
Finally, go kiss your Syrian brothers, make up with them for they will be your next door nieghbours long after everyone else has left you to your own destiny, and they are really upset with the way you have behaved with them . And you better take that seriously, if because Lebanon's economy and stability depend on a a six-foot wooden pole seperating Lebanon from Syria at the boarder crossing. So bla kalam fadi wa anteryat mankun adda wa la behaytekum kento adda, and work sincerley and honestly at building your feautur rather than having the "now awakening Harrriri gang -not Harriri the Martyre" lead into into bigger messes. And please, keep in your mind one small fact about the Syrian Authoreties and the late Raffiq Al Harriri; If they really were so upset by the late Harriri, they did not really need to kill him; all they had to do was to tell him 'go away for a while', and the getleman would have gladely obliged. After all, he was known to be smart and he was never known to be a "tough fighter" when principales or other material aspects of live -Lebanon's wealth or lack of it for example- were involved.
Shame on you, Beirut downtown looked like a cheap redlight district to me, you looked like a lost flock of sheep. The only hope I had was my drawn from my experience -especially past one- that Lebanon was not the greedy, blank, vengefule, pretentious and scared faces I met everywhere I looked this time. And I am talking about kbareyatkum whome you gave them your rien.
The hell with you. Really. We, who are labled as your enemies by some of you, still have some confidence left that one day you will become something worthy of other than pimping and applepolishing, but you insist on
remaining in the spotlight as the area's cheepest clown dusting up your latest custome to welcome your tourist lovers from the Gulf or elsewhere.. Eib alykum. Not all of course, but el shar bei yeam ....

At 6/16/2006 03:37:00 PM, Blogger Atassi said...

Reading for you..
Syria vs. Islamist militants: fierce battle or hype?
Associated Press Writer
962 words
16 June 2006
Associated Press Newswires
(c) 2006. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - When Syrian security forces engaged a band of Islamist militants in Damascus earlier this month, the government quickly broke the news of the gunbattle and showed the slain gunmen and captured weapons on TV.

For a closed society where the government tightly controls the media, the coverage was unusual. By highlighting the fight with militants, President Bashar Assad's regime may hope to score points with the United States, which has long labeled Syria a state sponsor of terrorism. But dissidents claim Damascus is orchestrating and then sensationalizing the clashes to win international support.

The gunfight on June 2 near the Defense Ministry in the capital left four militants and a police officer dead. The government also said six insurgents were captured and that two policemen were wounded.

Opponents of the regime are skeptical about government statements which they deem as propaganda aimed at showing the West -- in particular the United States -- that Syria is a target of the al-Qaida international terror network and a committed ally in the global war on terror.

Syrian security forces occasionally have engaged with militants in shootouts in the capital and elsewhere in the country, including a December raid on a northern farmhouse that killed eight extremists and uncovered a bomb-making factory. After each attack, the government, otherwise guarded in revealing information on security matters, quickly announced the incidents.

Government statements about some of the earlier clashes said the militants belonged to Jund al-Sham, or the Soldiers of Syria, or a "takfiri" group.

Jund al-Sham was established in Afghanistan by Syrian, Palestinian and Jordanian militants with links to slain al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. "Takfiri" is an Islamic extremist ideology followed by groups such as al-Qaida that regards other Muslims as infidels.

But apart from the Jund al-Sham, al-Qaida is not known to have been active in Syria although it is known to harbor deep animosity for the regime and its secular Arab Baath Socialist Party. Since 9/11, Damascus has cooperated with the United States on terrorism-related matters. And the government points out that it has long been on the front lines of the battle with Islamists, having crushed a rebellion by the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood in the early 1980s.

Mohammed Habash, head of the Islamic Studies Center in Damascus and a Syrian legislator, said it was natural that Syria would struggle with militants at a time when tension is running high across the region.

"Syria is in the eye of the storm and the whole region is burning," he told The Associated Press by telephone. He said the government's middle-of-the-road positions on regional issues such as Iraq and Lebanon have earned it criticism from Washington and hatred from Islamic militants.

"It is only logical that such (militant) cells emerge," he said.

But opponents of the Assad regime question official accounts of the militant attacks -- in particular the links with al-Qaida. Notably, al-Qaida has not claimed responsibility for attacks in Syria. Some critics accuse the secular regime of cozying up to militants and encouraging Islamic sentiment to whip up anti-Western sentiment and thereby strengthen the regime.

A former Syrian politician who is now a pro-democracy dissident living abroad thinks that accounts of the attacks are overblown.

"The purpose of this is to win international backing so that they (the authorities) can tell the international community, 'Look, we have terrorism and we are resisting it,'" he claimed, speaking on condition of anonymity because he has relatives in Syria and fears for their safety.

He believes that Syrian security services are able to manipulate such militant groups for their own ends and that Damascus uses the groups as bargaining chips in its dealings with the international community.

"They (the security services) are not stupid to publicly agree with them (the militants). It is done quietly," he claimed, without saying how he came by the information.

That view is also supported by Lebanese opponents of Syria, whose army withdrew from Lebanon under domestic and international pressure in the wake of the assassination of former premier Rafik Hariri last year, a crime that Damascus has been implicated in. Syria has denied involvement.

"We are not stupid," said Saad Hariri, the slain Hariri's son who is leading the anti-Syrian parliamentary majority in Lebanon, when asked about the presence of al-Qaida in Lebanon.

Authorities in January charged 13 people being held here with planning terrorist attacks and said they had ties to al-Qaida.

Hariri and his supporters say Syria aims to destabilize Lebanon.

"We know that the militants infiltrating the Lebanese borders from Syria are the same militants the government of Damascus has been sending to Iraq for the past four, five years under the claim they belong to al-Qaida," he said in a television interview earlier this year.

As if to support the government's contention of a struggle with extremists, documents captured from al-Qaida in Afghanistan reveal Islamist extremists' hatred for Assad's minority Alawite regime and call for its overthrow.

The documents, released by the U.S. Defense Department earlier this year, call on Syrians to rise up in jihad, or Islamic holy war, against the Assad regime. But they also express disappointment with the militants and outline the reasons they failed in their battle against the government.

The Assad family is Alawite, an offshoot of Shiite Islam with about three million adherents in Syria where Sunni Muslims form the majority of the population of 18.5 million. The Alawites hold many influential posts in the military and the intelligence services

At 6/16/2006 09:16:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Nationalist Party said...

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At 6/17/2006 02:12:00 AM, Blogger t_desco said...

Perhaps I should add my personal assessment:

I still don't believe that Mossad had any role in the killing of Hariri, after all one personal friend of Ahmed Abu Adas has been described in some reports (never officially confirmed) as an "al-Qa'ida operative", but the presence of Hussein Khattab in Ain al-Hilweh means that this is something the investigation will have to check, particularly as it is not that difficult to construct a possible motive for Israel as ausamaa shows above.
I don't think Brammertz or Mehlis should be called neoconservatives. Brammertz is a highly professional investigator and if he determines in the end that Syrians had a role in the murder of Hariri his findings will have much credibility because of his professionalism. I'm not so thrilled about the way Detlev Mehlis went about his investigation, but I also don't think that he did so because of "political motives". You have to understand where he is comming from: most of his earlier cases involved state-sponsored terrorism, he had little or no experience with al-Qa'ida type terrorism. And in most of his state-sponsored terrorism cases Syria had some role. For example one of his great achievements (together with his friend Gerhard Lehmann) was the capture of German top terrorist Johannes Weinrich who had been found to be living in Damascus. German politicians first didn't want to act until the story was leaked to the press (you are free to find any similarities in style here...). Mehlis then put a lot of pressure on Syria (e.g., as I had mentioned earlier, he had a member of the wider Asad familiy detained in Vienna), and as a result Weinrich was extradited to Jemen and later on to Germany. This was probably one of the reasons why he was chosen for the Hariri investigation, a bad choice in my opinion, a clever choice by the US from a political point of view.

It is important to stress that the information linking Abu Adas to extremist groups in Ain al-Hilweh is not necessarily very reliable. In an interview with the Daily Star, his brother denied that he had any links to such groups, but he admitted that Adas visited the refugee camps, albeit not frequently. The brother lives in Germany, so it is unclear how much insight he had into the thinking and development of Adas (Alleged Hariri assassin's sibling says father was killed, The Daily Star, April 09, 2005).

Regarding the question raised by Sam F. Ghattas (Syria vs. Islamist militants: fierce battle or hype?), the answer is very simple: like in Indonesia, Pakistan or Morocco, it is a fierce battle. The idea of open collaboration between the Syrian government and al-Qa'ida is absurd (as much from the point of view of the Syrians as from the point of view of al-Qa'ida). On the other hand manipulation through double agents is always a possibility, but you have to find evidence for such a claim, otherwise it is nothing but mere speculation.

Regarding the other 14 bombings, I think that the participation of the Israeli spy network in some of them is a real possibility. Take for example the bombings in public places, some of them claimed by Jund al-Sham, as we have seen. Brammertz says that they were set off "at hours intended to minimize the casualty rate" (§65). While the reason for this could be that it made it easier for the perpetrators to escape, this is hardly al-Qa'ida style, to "minimize the casualty rate".
And we have all these bombs transported by Rafeh at the time to unknown destinations. It is not inconceivable that they were part of some Israeli psy-op in post-Hariri Lebanon.

At 6/17/2006 03:15:00 AM, Blogger t_desco said...

BTW, can you believe the following comments by U.S. Ambassador Jeffrey Feltman:

Lebanese Foreign Minister Fawzi Salloukh told As-Safir that the report on the investigation includes unequivocal evidence and added that Beirut would file a complaint with the Security Council in order to "present Israel's nakedness before the international community."

According to As-Safir, the Beirut decision is meant to reduce the diplomatic pressure that has been placed on the Lebanese government, particularly by U.S. Ambassador Jeffrey Feltman who has expressed doubts as to the veracity of the investigations findings.

Feltman also maintains that Hezbollah - and not Lebanese intelligence - stands behind the claim that an assassination network was exposed.

Feltman even hinted that the affair might negatively influence American-Lebanese relations and U.S. military aid to Lebanon. (!)

(my emphasis)

I guess Ambassador Feltman had only the "best interests of Lebanon" in his mind. Of course. Obviously.

At 6/17/2006 04:41:00 AM, Blogger 10452 said...

Do you see what kind of flies you attract to your posts Landis? Do you know what attracts these kinds of flies? fecal matter.

God help your soul.

Ausamaa (Or Oussama BL?)"Finally, go kiss your Syrian brothers, make up with them for they will be your next door nieghbours long after everyone else has left you to your own destiny, and they are really upset with the way you have behaved with them".

--This phrase is evidence that you obviously know nothing of what happened in Lebanon, and that you have been brainwashed beyond any hope. Do you know how many Lebanese were killed, tortured, disappeared or imprisonned by the Syrian regime? The Syrian regime should apologize for all their actions in Lebanon. The Syrian regime should adhere to all UN resolutions calling for the establishment of diplomatic representation and demarcation of borders. The Syrian regime shoudl free the hundreds if not thousands of Lebanese that have been jailed without any trial in Syria. The Syrian should reimbourse the Lebanese government of the billions of dollars that it stole from Lebanon to supposedly feed you Ausamaa. When that happens then we will gladly accept the Syrian regime's apology.

And by the way you're not fooling anyone. You are intentionally trying to confuse the Syrian regime and the Syrian people. The only one who are upset are the occupiers not the people. And the people who claim to be upset, are those who are not free to speak their minds or who are Baathists. Which one are you Ausamaa?

At 6/17/2006 07:06:00 AM, Blogger Ausamaa said...

On the question wether I am a Baathist or something else, I will keep you guessing so at least you can blame shortcomings, troubles and insecureties on something...for a while.

As to the Syrian regieme's appology to the Labanese, and while a lot of misdeeds were difinitly carried on during that period, I only want to reminf you, that if it was not for the spilled blood of the thousands of Syrian soldiers who died dismanteling your own melitia, little Jumblat and little Harriri and littler Jajaja would be scared to cross over green line for fear of being shot on sight based on which rival melitia was manning the crossing points they needed to get through and based on the RELIGION listed on thier ID. And the Syrian soldiers did not commit the Sabra and Chateela or Dair Al Qamar and and and and and massacres.They stopped it when NO ONE saw in Labanon more than the Casino, Burj Hammoud and the Al Kasleek you know what...
And since you are- while sipping your American/Frensh supplied courage pill- is demanding that Syria apologises for its wrongdoings in Lebanon during the last thirty years, can you enlighten us as to when you and your Al Mustaqbal "or the Past" movement intend to ask Israel for a similar appology or retribution or whatever since that shaft precceeded the Syrian one by years.
And incidently,while we are taking about your southernly nieghbour, cann't your world-known Seniora, at least ask his buddy Bush to "ask" Israel to stop its daily flights over lebanon, even for appearance sake while you are trying to assure Hizbullah that internatioinal guarantees are sufficient to guarantee Lebanon's security after Hizbullah "entrusts" its weapons to your likes.

Incidently, and if only for the sake of argument, who do you believe corrupted the other; the Syrian Army who went into Lebanon by a mandate from everyone to stop your shameless inhuman actions, or the Lebanese welcoming parties and the known mottos and defacto facts of life in Lebanon which welcomed the Syrian forces?

Finally, it should comes as no surprise to you and your likes; that at this point of time, I believe that all in Syria: People, Party, Army, and Regiem have only one openion of many Lebanese. I bet you do not really want to hear it. But we know, that your fingures are not all the same, and so is our Lebanese nieghbours.

At 6/17/2006 08:15:00 AM, Blogger 10452 said...

Ausamaa, it appears English is not your first language, and hence I had to guess what you were saying on several occasions.

To answer each and every one of your false statements :

Apart from the initial request for the Syrians to come help the Christians, noone asked anything from the Syrians. And even that initial invitation does not give the Syrian regime carte blanche to stay indefinitely and carry out atrocities in Lebanon.

The Syrian government has always envied its neighbour and tried to find any excuse to interfere in their affairs.

If for one second they died to dismantle any thing, then my initial fears are confirmed, you are brainwashed way beyond any hope.

The Syrian regime was what we call the "pompier pyromane", starting fires aeverywhere, and using that excuse to come "help".

As to your second pathetic point, Israel has nothing to do with the current subject matter. But let us assume that it does, an apology must also be demanded from them. And an apology must be demanded from the Palestinians as well. All three in concert, used and abused Lebanon.

I don't belong to Al mustaqbal, so I won't answer your third laughable assertion.

Thre was never a mandate from anyone for Syria to occupy Lebanon, slaughter and pillage the country. There was a mandate for an Arab force, which turned into a Syrian force. And taef is illegal from top to bottom since it was imposed on Lebanese with a knife on their necks.

As to your last argument, your propaganda is no good here. You can try as much as you want to make the world believe that the Syrian people are happy, and have a bad opinion of Lebanese, but noone will believe you. The majority of Syrians are waiting for you and your likes to disappear.

Let us suppose for one minute that indeed they have a bad opinion of Lebanese, the message is simple "We don't give a flying shit. Leave us alone and mind your own business". Although I believe you and your likes will never understand this, you'll just vomit more propaganda and hate.

At 6/17/2006 03:21:00 PM, Blogger Ausamaa said...

to 10542,

Not only I conquer with your first paragraph, but I am overwhelmingly impressed the depth of your bright remark that English does not appear to be my first language. You are right, it aint. Actually, I would have had less respect for your if it could have occured to you that someone with a name like "ausamaa" would have English as his mother tounge.Especially nowadays.
However, I am a lot less impressed by both the rest of the stuff on which you have "brilliantly" and "most convincingly" responded, not to mention my dismay with your failure to convey to us your Ivy Leage language and debating prowess as expressed in your response to few items of the many raised by my humble remarks.

But do not get upset, I will work on my English a bit more if that helps clear up things for you.

mercie pooooookooooo

At 6/17/2006 04:19:00 PM, Blogger majedkhaldoon said...

a lot of time I hear that Alawites are off-shoot of Shiites, I disagree strongly, they align themself with the Shiites,but they have nothing to do with the Shiites,other than they are politicaly close, Alawites originaly are closer to the christians,than they are close to Shiites, (nassairiah mountain) they used ,however, to worship Ali as God,the shiites Idol is Husssein ibn Ali,but they never believe that Ali is God, this has been discussed before.
my understanding that since Hafez Al Assad, they gradually abandoning the Idea that Ali is God, they always fight with the Druze,since they are neibors, Josh wife is alawit, I hope he clarify this point to us.

At 6/17/2006 04:40:00 PM, Blogger Joseph ALi Mohammed said...

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At 6/17/2006 05:18:00 PM, Blogger 10452 said...

Ausamaa - I am glad to see that you have not been able to counter argue any of my points. I take note of your abdication, and wish you better luck in your future endeavours.

At 6/18/2006 11:07:00 AM, Blogger Ausamaa said...

to 10452,
are you on drugs or something? a 14 Feb supporter? or do you have nothing better to do than mock and act as a clown?
My appologies everyone else.

At 6/18/2006 12:23:00 PM, Blogger 10452 said...

Ausamaa - fact is you have not succeeded in countering any of my points. So I thought it was due to one of two options :
a) you are intellectually challenged
b) you can't counter argue, because you agree

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and I went for b, but apparently you disagree, so I guess it is a then.

Now go back to your Baathist masters to receive your orders.

At 6/18/2006 03:01:00 PM, Blogger Alex said...

10452 and Ausamaa

You are both intelligent, and your English is much better thatn mine, but I don't think there is any use to what you are both doing here... unless if I am missing the point.

Do you have solutions? constructive proposales that take into account the fact there is a wide disagreement between large numbers of Syrians and a proportionally large number of Lebanese people?

There is no shortage of people on both sides who can do a good job telling us how bad the Syrians or the Lebanese behaved so far...

Just for fun, can you try to propose three actions, to move from here to a better place.

To make it more challenging, propose things that your country and your people should improve, I am sure you both have a long list of what the other country needs to do.


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