Thursday, July 20, 2006

Support for US and Israel Declining Rapidly Outside of US

Robin Wright gets the important story in today's Washington Post (copied below). Europe is abandoning America, or, rather, Washington is abandoning its allies in Europe once again in order to use force in the Middle East as an instrument of its policy to transform the Greater Middle East. The US has been able to buy Israel time with its European allies, but that time is limited. The US congress has voted overwhelmingly to support Israel.

Defense Minister Amir Peretz warned that Israel would launch a full-scale ground operation if it considered it necessary.

"Let no terror organization feel we would cower from any operation," he said. "We have no intention of conquering Lebanon, but... we will do it without thinking twice."

Rice headed for the UN today, which she herself calls a waste of time! America opposes sending a beefed up UN force to Southern Lebanon. Then she will head to Indonesia in order to waste some more time. All of this to hold off the Europeans and give Israel another week to degrade Hizbullah and get better bargaining terms for the moment when negotiations will start.

Syria, in contrast to the US, does not want to play the UN waiting game. It turned back Roed-Larsen, the UN envoy, from visiting Syria. John Bolton, the US ambassador at the UN, went ballistic and claimed this was bad. In some respects, it is more honest than the American approach to the UN, which is to waste its time and make a mockery of it.

The Israeli tactic is bound to backfire, however. Anyone reading Middle East blogs can see the steady wave of repulsion at Israel is growing ever stronger. Tel Aviv's hope that it can turn the rest of Lebanon against Hizbullah is in vain. The Lebanese are closing ranks. Not because they love Hizbullah, but because they are all being bombed and must stand common ground if they want the bombing to stop. So long as the World believes the notion that Arabs want Hizb to be bombed, the Israelis will have more days to bomb Lebanon. Last week, many Lebanese politicians and commentators were happy to lambaste Hizbullah. Today, it is considered a form of bad faith. Hizbullah's critics in the Arab World are going silent.

Adnan Abu-Odeh, a former adviser to the late King Hussein of Jordan. “In fact, historically, this episode is another example of how Israel embarrasses the moderate regimes in the region.”

From the New York Times:

“Everybody understands the Israelis want to degrade Hezbollah’s ability as a military fighting force and as an organization capable of launching missiles into Israel,” said Theodore H. Kattouf, a former American ambassador to Syria.

“I believe they want to turn the Lebanese people — those outside of the true believers within the Shia community — against Hezbollah,” he added. “I think they are quite misguided in the policy they are following. These attacks are, if anything, making people feel somewhat less hostile to Hezbollah and more convinced in their dislike of Israel.”
The Jewish Forward quotes Richard Murphy, who suggests that the US should be speaking to Syria. Like Kattouf, he is an ex-Ambassador to Syria:
The Bush administration has lost influence in the region because of its diplomatic standoffishness, said Richard Murphy, a former secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs in the Reagan administration. Murphy was also a former U.S. ambassador to Syria and Saudi Arabia. The current crisis may open new opportunities for a peace process, he said, but the administration seems uninterested in exploring them together with its international partners. "Without our trying to mold things, things will not go anywhere," he said.

This was even true of Lebanon's anti-Syrian Prime Minister who said:
Mr. Siniora, the Lebanese prime minister, said that he favored a release of the two Israeli soldiers. But he coupled that call with other requirements.

Any solution to the crisis, he said, should include Israel’s withdrawal from the disputed Shebaa Farms area of the border, the release of Lebanese detainees in Israeli jails and a return to the terms of the 1949 armistice between the two countries.

He suggested the Lebanese Army would move to southern Lebanon once these conditions were met. He backed the idea of a more robust international force, but only after “all the issues” were put on the table, and he stopped short of condemning Hezbollah for inviting the Israeli attacks on the rest of the country.
Although Siniora does not join Hizbullah in all of its demands from Israel, he is demanding Shebaa Farms be returned and a cessation of Israeli over flights of Lebanon, which is what the 1949 armistice part implies.

Here are Hizbullah demands as quoted in al-Quds al-Arabi:
Well-informed Lebanese sources had quoted Hezbollah officials saying that the resistance had placed its own terms, in order to release the captive soldiers and end the bombing of Israeli cities with Katyusha missiles. “The sources indicated that these terms included the withdrawal of the forces of the occupation from the occupied Shaba’a Farms and their surrender to the Lebanese government, … the release of all the Lebanese and Arab detainees and that of a large number of Palestinian detainees in the prisons of the occupation. The terms also stipulate that the government of the occupation pay for all the material damage to the infrastructure and the Lebanese towns, as well as allocate compensation to the citizens, for their homes and lands that were destroyed by the Israeli attacks. “Moreover, the resistance demanded that the government of the occupation solve the issue of the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, and ensure their return to the Palestinian territories from which they were displaced.” - Al Quds Al Arabi, United Kingdom Click here for source
U.S. at Odds With Allies on Mideast Conflict
Citing Civilian Casualties, European Nations and U.N. Eager for Cease-Fire

By Robin Wright and Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, July 20, 2006; A17

The United States faces growing tensions with allies over its support of Israel's military campaign to cripple Hezbollah, amid calls for a cease-fire to help with the mounting humanitarian crisis.

European allies are particularly alarmed about the disproportionately high civilian death toll in Lebanon. They are also concerned that the U.S. position will increase tensions between the Islamic world and the West by fueling militants, playing into the rhetoric of Osama bin Laden and adding to the problems of the U.S.-led coalition force in Iraq.

"What there needs to be now is a cessation of hostilities," U.N. Deputy Secretary General Mark Malloch Brown told reporters yesterday. "The Middle East is littered with the results of people believing there are military solutions to political problems in the region." He said civilians are "very unfairly bearing the greatest brunt of the conflict."

The fragile Lebanese government has pleaded for a cease-fire, and France has urged the U.N. Security Council to adopt a resolution calling for an end to hostilities, proposing political and security measures. France also has called for "humanitarian corridors" to guarantee safety for civilians fleeing areas under fire.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will head to the United Nations tonight to begin talks on the crisis and a possible stabilization force along the border. Few specifics have been developed about the goals, size, location and timing of such a force, U.N. and European officials said.

The United Nations has floated the idea of expanding a 2,000-strong U.N. force that has been in Lebanon since Israel's first incursion, in 1978. But Israel and the United States say that option is not viable.

Rice is now expected to travel to the Middle East as soon as this weekend, but with a limited listening mission in Israel and Egypt. The United States is still struggling to define the timing and purpose of her mission. She is tentatively expected to leave a team behind in Israel, head on to Malaysia for a conference of Southeast Asian nations, and possibly return to the Middle East for further negotiations if her team can put the right "building blocks" in place, a U.S. official said.

The United States is increasingly out of sync with key allies, however, because it remains content to allow Israel to pound Hezbollah, both to remove it as a threat and to undermine the region's extremist movements and hard-line regimes.

European nations and U.N. officials are eager for a cease-fire or "pause" to allow Lebanese civilians to move to safer areas and investigate diplomatic avenues, as well as prevent other Middle East hot spots from becoming inflamed, European envoys said.

"The one thing that is guaranteed to send the Arab world and the Persian world over the edge is for the U.S. to be seen ultimately to be doing what they always believed -- to be fully in cahoots with Israel," said a European official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of diplomatic relations. "The danger of allowing it to continue is that the United States is more and more despised. It's not like the U.S. had a good reputation within the region to start with."

The White House vehemently denied it is coordinating with Israel or "sitting around at the war map saying 'Do this, this and this,' " press secretary Tony Snow said. "We're not colluding, we're not cooperating, we're not conspiring, we're not doing any of that," he told reporters. "The Israelis are doing what they think is necessary to protect their borders."

The State Department also tried to stress the basic international agreement on Hezbollah as the cause of the conflict. "I don't think anybody disagrees on the desire to end the violence in the region, but let's remember what the root causes of the violence are," spokesman Sean McCormack said.

But underscoring the differences with Europeans and other allies, a senior administration official said yesterday that the time is not yet ripe for a diplomatic solution. "The conditions that the G-8 [Group of Eight industrialized nations] talked about are not in place to get a real and permanent cease-fire that addresses the fundamental problems of the region," he said.

The official said Washington is privately advising Israel to consider the dire humanitarian situation and avoid civilian casualties. He said the Israelis "have a terrible problem" because Hezbollah is placing a lot of equipment in civilian neighborhoods. "They make mistakes, and there are accidents," he said. "It is impossible for them to avoid all the collateral damage."

U.S. support for Israel is also taking a toll on close coordination between the United States and France, which has been critical in fostering stability in the former French mandate country. That cooperation included a joint resolution that called for and achieved an end to Syria's 29-year occupation of Lebanon.

The two countries now appear seriously divided over the next step in resolving the crisis.

France proposed that the Security Council adopt a resolution that could call on Israel and Hezbollah to show "utmost restraint" and begin consideration of a reinforced U.N. peacekeeping presence in the region. The resolution would condemn unnamed "extremist forces" who are threatening Israeli and Lebanese democracies, and call for the release of Israeli troops by Hezbollah and the negotiation of "comprehensive and lasting cease-fire." It also proposes the disarmament of Hezbollah and support for Lebanon to exercise authority throughout the southern part of the country.

U.N. Ambassador John R. Bolton challenged France's proposal. "I am not sure that conventional thinking about a cease-fire makes any sense when you are dealing with a terrorist group that fires rockets at civilian populations and kidnaps innocent Israelis," he said.
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George Friedman of Stratfor writes:
Our analysis therefore runs as follows:

1. Only an invasion on the ground can provide Israel with the solution it wants to the threat Hezbollah has posed.

2. A diplomatic or political settlement not only cannot guarantee this outcome, but it would make later Israeli responses to Hezbollah even more difficult. Israel has more room for maneuver internationally now than it will have later.

3. The internal politics of Israel will make it very difficult for Olmert to come out of this with a less-than-definitive outcome.

4. Israel will seek to deal with Hezbollah without undertaking counterinsurgency operations in the long term. This means attack, sterilization of the threat, and withdrawal.

There has been much speculation about diplomatic solutions, the possibility that there will not be an invasion, and so on. But when we ignore the rhetoric and look at the chessboard, it is difficult to see how this conflict ends without some action on the ground. When we examine the behavior of the Israelis, they are taking the steps that would be needed for an invasion. Obviously we could be wrong, and clearly the invasion has not come at the earliest possible moment, as we had predicted. Nevertheless, when we step through the logic, we keep coming out with the same answer: invasion.

17 Comments:

At 7/21/2006 01:32:00 AM, Blogger Contemptuous said...

Josh has now taken a journey from Lebanon then to Syria and he is back to square one in the US. First it was Mr. Siniora's apparent ‘desperation’. Then it became the dream of some Syrian bygone despotic destabilizing entity. Now he is back hitting at the US for a perceived failed foreign policy! The common thread in his entire trek is how to save a desperately crippling and collapsing Syrian regime going down on its knees begging for some attention and a pay back for its horrible and terroristic foreign policies! Never mind the world's past experience with such a maniacal regime! Never mind the consistent policy of a blackmailing terrorist! Never mind all the suffering a despot inflicts on its neighbor through misguided decisions and shortsightedness! Never mind the impotence of a war dreamer fighting by proxy and displacing hundreds of thousands from their homes! Never mind the kids and the elderly that have to perish for absurdity!
Josh, by the way do you have any sense of shame?

 
At 7/21/2006 02:25:00 AM, Blogger EngineeringChange said...

Excuse me Contemptuous--but what is it you are calling to be a 'percieved' failed foreign policy? Is Iraq a success in your eyes? Is Palestine/Israeli relations a success in your eyes? Or how about North Korea testing its missiles and in almost certain possession of at least several nuclear warheads? Maybe Iran proceeding with its nuclear enrichment?

All wonderful successes of the Bush administration foreign policy by your account?

I wonder also what you mean by 'desperately crippling and collapsing' Syrian regime. The Syrian regime may be a lot of negative things--but on its last legs it most certainly is not.

And then you talk about shame. Let me tell you who is full of shame--it is me and around 66 percent of Americans who are disgusted and ashamed of our country leadership and foreign policy under the Bush administration. Absurdity you say? Tell that to the thousands of Iraqi civilians dying every month--most probaly over 100,000 since the war began because of the Bush team's short sightedness when Assad was the one who was right along as to what would happen. Tell that to the Palestinians being humiliated and killed everyday by the Israelis. And tell that to the Lebanese dying everyday from American/Israeli weapons and agression.

'Percieved foreign policy failure'--what a joke!

 
At 7/21/2006 03:05:00 AM, Blogger Contemptuous said...

Josh, EngineeringChange has pointed out an excellent arena for your expertise. Since you and 'him' seem to agree that American foreign policy is a failure, then perhaps you should stay close to home and try to do something about it. May be you could come up with something useful for the good of your country. Likewise, the Middle East is better off if it is left to its own people since they also know best their needs and aspirations. Then, perhaps Assad can use his 'long sightednesses' and his 'upright legs' to depend on himself and to begin to fight his wars using his ‘formidable army’ instead of others and spare the Lebanese and the Palestinians all this suffering. In addition, he may perchance achieve some 'heroic victory' and then he may expect to be paid back respectfully (such as Al-Golan) as a victor rather than contemptuously as a wretched blackmailer. Does he really think he can fight a war through lenses?

 
At 7/21/2006 04:41:00 AM, Blogger Ivanka said...

Among other things, we are seeing the end of the great middle east. Even Israel has given up on this project. Not only did bush's project fail, but the US role in the middle east is now reduced to buying time for Israel and making rethorical statements.

This is what happens when a person with such reduced mental ability rules the biggest country in the world and one of the greatest.

The US has lost a lot of it's influence and might not get it back for a long time.

This is very dangerous as it will probably mean an increased risk of chaos everywhere in the middle east.

May God save Lebanon

 
At 7/21/2006 06:16:00 AM, Blogger Ameen Always said...

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At 7/21/2006 06:23:00 AM, Blogger Ameen Always said...

As a Christian Syrian, I am terrified by those posters who are in a hurry to change the Syrian regime, thinking that by getting rid of the Syrian Regime( not that I have any love for it), will bring stability or peace to Syria or the greater ME. The disaster is clear for Syrians, and may be all the ME if (which is very real if) the Muslim Brotherhood take over power, and retake Syria to become yet another Taliban country, and make minorities subservants to their Moslem absolute slavery rule. I shall join the Regime which I fought so much to make sure that those crazy backward minded Islamic Fundamentalists that have nothing else but pure hatred in their hearts stay out, and never step a foot in Syria. No matter how much they manoeuver thier talk and sweeten it, claiming that they accept a modern state, and civil society rule, and a citizenship based on equality etc...!!!

it is easy to see their lies by reading their Web Sites which number in the thousands. they are the true danger to world civilization.

So, a change in the Syrian regime at this time terrifies me and so many others.

 
At 7/21/2006 07:26:00 AM, Blogger Innocent_Criminal said...

I think the issue of regime change is starting to be put aside even by the toughest of hawks. Their main sponsor Israel doesn't support it and any action short of a full-scale invasion of Syria will not destabilize the leadership. But what is much more likely to happen, and could very well be as damaging is the marginalization of the Syrian role in the Middle East. If the US can cook up a solution to the Lebanese/HA problem with the Saudis and Egyptians as they are trying to do. It would mean a further blow to Damascus’s influence in the region. That said it would also mean the need to create another anti-HA “Cedar Revolution” which might be read as anti-Shi’a revolution and this could plunge Lebanon into civil conflict.

Tarek.

 
At 7/21/2006 07:36:00 AM, Blogger t_desco said...

Israel set war plan more than a year ago

... "More than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to U.S. and other diplomats, journalists and think tanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail.Under the ground rules of the briefings, the officer could not be identified.

In his talks, the officer described a three-week campaign: The first week concentrated on destroying Hezbollah's heavier long-range missiles, bombing its command-and-control centers, and disrupting transportation and communication arteries. In the second week, the focus shifted to attacks on individual sites of rocket launchers or weapons stores. In the third week, ground forces in large numbers would be introduced, but only in order to knock out targets discovered during reconnaissance missions as the campaign unfolded. There was no plan, according to this scenario, to reoccupy southern Lebanon on a long-term basis."
San Francisco Chronicle

Indeed, there have been many articles in the past months indicating the same thing:

On January 17, I quoted an Daily Star article by Patrick Devenny who linked the question of"Iran's nukes and Hizbullah's rockets" (January 17, 2006). SyriaComment

On April 8, Seymour Hersh's "The Iran Plans" was published, quoting a Pentagon adviser:

“If we move against Iran, Hezbollah will not sit on the sidelines. Unless the Israelis take them out, they will mobilize against us.” (When I asked the government consultant about that possibility, he said that, if Hezbollah fired rockets into northern Israel, “Israel and the new Lebanese government will finish them off.”)

In my analysis of the article, I asked the following question:

"In our context, we should perhaps discuss the possible repercussions of such an attack for Syria and Lebanon/Hizbullah. How would they react? And would Israel actually wait until it is attacked, or would it rather act "preventively" ("preemptively"; t_d), as usual?"
SyriaComment

And on May 16, I quoted Former Military Intelligence chief Aharon Ze'evi who "warned that Israel should not rule out the possibility of a conventional war against Islamic militants. He said he foresees this war breaking out on Israel's northern frontier, against Syria and Hezbollah." (Haaretz, May 16, 2006)
SyriaComment

Given that this attack would have come anyway, I am not so sure if the initial Hizbullah operation should be classified as a grave mistake (in a paradoxical way, it will only have been a mistake insofar as it is widely perceived as such (Berkeley would be happy...)).

Without any doubt, Israel would have found another pretext (or even have created one) to start this operation. On such a tense border this would not have been too difficult to achieve.

I still think that the real reason for this operation was to prepare for the eventuality of an US/Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities (to prepare for this option, I am not saying that this is going to happen). Before this operation Israel would have had to deal with Iran, possibly Syria (because of the recently signed defence treaty with Iran) and Hizbullah at the same time.

Juan Cole today published a guest editorial by Dr. Trita Parsi with a very similar analysis:

"The violence in the Middle East has provided the neo-conservatives with a pretext for actions they’ve long sought to promote—war with Iran. But contrary to conventional wisdom in Washington, the casus belli of the neo-conservatives – that Iran ordered the Hezbollah attack – is questionable. In fact, Iran stands to lose far more than it could gain from Hezbollah’s provocation of Israel. With a much weakened Hezbollah, Tehran will feel exposed to a potential Israeli or American attack on Iran.

Israel has chosen to use Hezbollah’s action to launch a major sustained attack calculated to destroy or substantially weaken Hezbollah as well as much of Lebanon’s civilian infrastructure. The Israelis may have concluded that a US attack on Iranian nuclear facilities is inevitable or desirable and therefore they’ve decided to preempt an anticipated Hezbollah retaliatory attack."
Informed Comment

 
At 7/21/2006 08:50:00 AM, Blogger Philip I said...

From Philip I [viarecta.blogspot.com]

t_desco, great post.

Syria is not a real threat to Israel/US, never was and never will be.

This largely explains why Syria is not being targetted and why the regime has not lifted a finger to challenge Israel's bombing of the defenceless civilian Lebanese population (or even its own ally Hizbullah!).

IT IS AN IMPLICIT DEAL TO SAVE THE REGIME'S SKIN FOR HIZBULLAH'S.

Pity the Syrian people and their aspirations for a free and democratic country. No one is talking about the imprisoned Bunni and Kilo any more. How convenient!

 
At 7/21/2006 09:34:00 AM, Blogger Mr.B said...

Let's hope Lebanon stays united. On top of the israeli flattening, a civil war is the last thing we need.

Lebanon was doing well, but the regional war "powers" do not care... war, is the beginning and the end of their day.

So let it be war... they can have THEIR stupid war on MY country... I'm leaving. If only my parents would listen to me and leave too.

 
At 7/21/2006 09:40:00 AM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

Mr. B,

Your lovely country Lebanon "was doing well" on the surface only. Regrettably, deep down in its core is where its many problems have remained in hiding.

 
At 7/21/2006 10:02:00 AM, Blogger Syrian Nationalist Party said...

It is useless to have a cease fire now. If you evaluate the Jews previous wars and conflicts you will discover that the top of the bell curve is right on the 6 days mark. After all, we have nothing to loose and all others have everything to loose. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq have nothing to loose, they have been utterly economically, socially and humanely destroyed over and over again. Even Iran took their share of the evil West tyranny for nearly a decade. Loosing nearly half a million Iranians in an unjust war imposed on them by the West puppet regime Saddam the Beast.

Jews are cowards, weak, their cowardly campaign in Lebanon is evidence of that. The brainless idiots takes their cue from one of the most evil monsters ever born on this planet, who else Dr. Mengele Rumsfeld and evil Jewish cronies, Yep, the plotters of Iraq shock and awe Democracy camp pain that the illiterate Texan peasant and his colored ranch hand keeps on peddling even to this day, believe it or not, believe it or not. Shocking, that these ignorant think we are that stupid that we will believe them.

Coward Jews will not dare to invade Syria. And should be fooled by Geek god Yahweh ( or is it god of the geeks) to go and take the Cedar land, aggggaiiin, ( I am praying that they will do just that) they will find out how hardware in Hizbullah arsenal has dramatically improved from the 80’s stock piles. Lets talk straight, there is nothing Hizbullah dream about than a land invasion by these Jews. Doubtful, they will do that, they tried to get Omaha boys to do the walking on foot as mules for them in the Middle East. They like to drop bombs from way, way high.

A continual conflict in Lebanon, will destroy the Jews economy, demoralize them, dehumanize them ( as if they are humane in the first place) and most importantly, it will put great pressure on the Bastard Arabs that made peace with the enemy and could act as the catalyst to mobilize the streets in these countries. In fact the street, the poor, the unemployed, the disfranchised should now be organized in these countries and get ready. The Moslem Brotherhood will most likely be the one in charge of this mobilization. Freedom from Tyranny of evil ruler in the Gulf and North Africa could very well come not on the hand of the deceivers but on the hand of a great leader Mahmoud Ahmadi Nizhad and the premier Islamic ruler today his eminence Ayatollah Khemenei.

Now that the coward Jews and their western backers had proven unable or unwilling to challenge Iran, the conflict that can trigger the Islamic World Liberation from the Western Crusaders stooges could very well be this one in the land of the Cedar.




Intelligence reports are surfacing that Kaddafi, Iraq’s Jewish puppet government, Mubarak and the Saudis ruling Bedouin clan, (desecrater of the haramaine), are allowing direct deliveries of Jet Fuel shipments from their refineries to Israel. Confidential sources at Aramco reporting that the massive deliveries where approved by the ruling Saudi Bedouin Abdullah to Jordan, eyewitness reports massive caravans of petrol transporters are making the speedy round trip from the Jordanian port in the Gulf of Aqaba inland to the Israeli side for the past 3 days and night, non stop.

Further information obtained from reliable sources that the delivery of Jet Fuel from the Egyptian refineries are making direct delivery to Israel. There are scant reports that shipment of Iraqi crude are currently on the way from the Turkish port to Tel Aviv. Libya’s Western Crusaders installed evil dictator Kaddafi has agreed to deliver substantial crude to be refined into jet fuel at an Israeli refinery in Haifa (Palestine). An American oil conglomerate was contracted for the massive deliveries to Israel.

There are no confirmed reports to determine if the Iraqi have knowledge of the destination of the pumped oil. However, the Saudi and Libyan were in complete knowledge and have demanded a cover. Egyptian officials, confronted with the news, claimed that the deliveries are routine and it is under previously signed Agreements with Israel. While such an Agreement is well known, it does not cover the delivery of refined Jet fuel, and at such grade that are used by fighter jets

It is now confirmed that Saudi, Egyptian and Libyan are knowingly delivering the fuel used by the Jewish enemy fighter jets that are killing thousands of Moslem men, women and helpless children in Lebanon.




Or better yet mail all your insults to these:

abdullah-1@inmyasshole.ksa.com
abdullah-2@toiletflushed.com
mubarak@sewege.net
kaddafi@jewpuppet.org

 
At 7/21/2006 10:09:00 AM, Blogger EHSANI2 said...

T_desco,

Good analysis.

If a person like you, Seymour Hersh, Aharon Ze’evi and Trita Parsi all had a strong suspicion or inkling that “Israel set war plan more than a year ago”; the question that begs for an answer is the following:

Did Bashar, Nasrallah and Iran also know about these plans? Did they also anticipate them? Did they plan accordingly? Did they hedge themselves and their people accordingly? Do they have a counter plan? Are they likely to outfox and outmaneuver their opponents? Have they prepared their countries economically and militarily?

Only time will tell of course.

I have my own views of course. This is an occasion where I would love to be wrong.

 
At 7/21/2006 10:29:00 AM, Blogger Metaz K. M. Aldendeshe said...

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At 7/21/2006 11:18:00 AM, Blogger Zenobia of the East and West said...

yes....T_desco...very great post...

supports my own opinion....the big players here....inevitably Iran and United States.

and yes....if the US or Israel has there way in lebanon....it would..plunge the entirety...into civil war level conflicts.. seems to be why nobody on any media outlet in the US... mentions that hezbollah..are not just guerillas..in the midst of civilian areas... but that they ARE the civilians too... and that they ARE the lebanese too, and disarming then would be equivalent to lebanese fighting lebanese.

 
At 7/21/2006 12:42:00 PM, Blogger Syrian Nationalist Party said...

As long as there are traitor regimes in the Middle East like those Axis of the Devil Ammonite States of Egypt, Saudi and Jordan, the noble countries of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran and it’s people are in big danger from barbaric Jews and Christian Crusaders, the graves and oil robbers, women rappers.

Israel by itself, as an entity and military power without the Axis of Devil behind it, is a small potato, marginal and irrelevant one. Jews and Judaism are irrelevant minority on the faith of the earth and are destined shortly for extinction.

Once Egypt ruled by the Moslem Brotherhood, the whole Axis of Devil nations will fall like dominos, starting with Egypt and ending slowly but surely with the evil Yehwite clans in Palestine. A Moslem Federations of Independent States and Nationality can be formed without any obstruction whatsoever from such Crusaders backed traitor Ammonite States. The Islamic Republic of Iran, have the means to bring this to fruition and the failure to do so is a crime against all Moslems, it is a tertiary.

It is imperative for Syria and Iran to consider regime change in those Axis of Devil countries, as the first step in winning the coming Middle East war. Taking control of 70% of the worlds oil reserve or shutting its output, and controlling the most vital strategic sea locations in Suez and Bab al Mandab, controlling fully the Straight of Hermouz, these are the type of strategic options that the Islamic Republic of Iran and Syria should be considering.

This coming war in the Middle East is a final struggle between the Children of Darkness and the Children of Light. Between those that are diligently working to enslave mankind and number them as a numbered beasts, using a grand deceptive ideology (Christianity) concocted by the beast Amen /Marduk millennia ago, and between that value the human being as an independent sovereign entity. It is Allah’s army vs. Satan the devil army.

It is not your ordinary Six Days War, nor some dumb Gypsies shock and Awe campaign. It is a war of destiny, it is time for Bashar Assad and Mahmood Ahmadi Nizhad to understand that this is not the time to play in their people destiny. A failure of these Two leaders to see the threat, comprehend the master plot and work to nullify it is tantamount to treason.

Iran and Syria needs to see that that what some calls conspiracy theory is more like a conspiracy facts. It is already too late. Immediate mobilization required now, immediate action on the Egyptian front is a most, otherwise assured defeat for Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Iraq and all Moslems.

Cut through all the crap and secure Egypt and within days secure all the gulf oil, then bargain with the West over the miserable lives and existence of the Gypsies.


STOP WASITING TIME, stop hoping that it is not conspiracy facts and hoping it is conspiracy theories. There are those that spend a life time learning religion and are trained in religious practices, we respect that, but this is not a spiritual war, it is a material and physical war that needs the experience of those that are trained not only in religion, but in Strategies, weapon and wars. It is time for the ASKARI to take over now to win the day. Follow all that he said and ordered to the letter or slaves for the Gypsies and backers the Christian Crusaders, the little girls rappers, you shall be.

 
At 7/21/2006 12:48:00 PM, Blogger Metaz K. M. Aldendeshe said...

IHSANI2 Said:

Did Bashar, Nasrallah and Iran also know about these plans?

They know much more, most likely, they did not believe any of it.

Did they also anticipate them? Did they plan accordingly? Did they hedge themselves and their people accordingly? Do they have a counter plan? Are they likely to outfox and outmaneuver their opponents? Have they prepared their countries economically and militarily?

I can assure you the answear is NO.

 

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